Ven dhammanando and I had a conversation shortly before I left dhammawheel at the end of the dark jhāna post

I thought he was a member of CT, but i guess not…

He criticized that the number of pa-auk yogis exceeded percentage of the world population. I’d like to say that might actually be true with the current calculation system, but the calculation system used also prohibits anyone from achieving the psychic powers spoken of in the vsm itself or in the Buddha’s time **if we exclude pārāmī** to be born during that time. That too also gives another question mark.

However, I propose that we are interpreting the calculation methods wrong, although I don’t have a solution other than, we are misinterpreting the calculations due to time and culture. Furthermore, we are taking the very bottom minimum calculation number of 1 in 100 rather than 1 in 1000. The number range is wide… 100 vs 1000 is 10 x fudge factor…

Ven Dhammanando also said that this calculation refers to yogis who are practicing already rather than the general population

That number from google is:

A rough estimation of people who meditate globally ranges **between 200 and 500 million people**

The .odds of the psychic powers is 2 more iterations of 100 to 1,

- one time for 14 ways
- one more time for getting the psychic powers.

1,000,000 x 100 x 100 which is 10,000,000,000 (10 billion)

The world population is shy of 8 billion and surely more than at the time of the Buddha.

So … perhaps our math is wrong? Maybe it is not a literal expression?

According to legend (from what I heard someone tell me in the sri Lanka chronicles) there were so many monks that could fly in the sky, the sky went black from so many flying monks blocking the sun and farmers complained that it was disturbing the crops.(!)

So perhaps the calculation is wrong.

Furthermore, there were quite a few on record in the suttas and dhp stories (and what more to say those not on record), that had psychic powers.

so perhaps we can say the calculation is wrong and it is just a large number and in each step, it is more and more difficult.

We also cannot take this literally, because they were not obviously calculating the odds based on 10 billion to one having psychic powers.

I’m also not sure… but if I live to 80, the population is a rolling average of population at one single time. would it be 5 x 8 = 40 billion total before I die as a total number of people?

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**And better yet… Perhaps we are interpreting the statement wrong and adding up the wrong calculations and expressions from that time.**