What’s at Stake as the Dharma Goes Modern? (article)

This is an interesting article - written by a Tibetan Buddhist but Theravada has similar issues. Some of it is confused but the general idea that the scientific worldview (scientism) is deeply ingrained among many Buddhists is worth considering/.
https://tricycle.org/magazine/whats-sta … es-modern/
What’s at Stake as the Dharma Goes Modern?
An exploration of the background assumptions of the modern age and the unique challenges they present

By Linda HeumanFALL 2012

In the summer of 2010, I sat a Dzogchen retreat at Garrison Institute with my teacher, a well-known Tibetan lama. He gave teachings during the day and then in the evening handed the microphone over to several academic luminaries who were also attending. In the morning and afternoon we received instructions on attaining buddhahood; in the evenings we heard lectures on how Buddhism’s contact with the West was leading to cutting-edge advances in brain-science research, medicine, and psychology.

One hot night—this was July in New York State—a professor was addressing the excited crowd about developments in medicine based on laboratory studies of meditators. Maybe I was strung out on the heat, maybe it was the effect of keeping silence or of sitting over the course of days with an accomplished master, but something hijacked my better judgment, and when question-and-answer time came I raised my hand.

As I asked my question, the buzz in the room came to a sudden stop. For what seemed a very long time, there was dead silence. One hundred pairs of eyes turned toward me and stared. A few people fidgeted. Somebody laughed.

This was my question: “Given the depth of suffering in samsara and the possibility of a solution to it; given that the very texts we study outline a path to that solution; given that we have a realized master right here who is, we believe, capable of leading us on that path to that solution—why would we devote our precious human lives to exploring whether meditation can lower blood pressure?”

At least some of my fellow Buddhists who stared at me across the meditation hall were, I am pretty sure, puzzled at my puzzlement. Perhaps more than a few imagined they were meeting a Buddhist fundamentalist. Others might have considered me just naive, scientifically uneducated, or even rude.

But however clumsy my attempt, what I was trying to put my finger on was a very real tension, a discord between what our Tibetan teacher had been saying and what the community seemed to be hearing. It was visible right there in the structure of the retreat, palpable in the response to my question, and familiar—at least to me, and I imagine to others as well—in everyday practice. This tension points to an issue of key significance in the transplantation and adaptation of the dharma to the modern West, to what is an often overlooked and important difference between Buddhism as it has been traditionally practiced and Buddhism as it is practiced in the West today.

The experience of being a modern Western Buddhist is different from the experience of all previous Buddhists in one crucial respect: we are contending with a radically different environment of faith. In discussions about Buddhism’s transmission to the West, most of the discussion about belief has focused on particular beliefs. What has been off our radar for the most part is an appreciation of the very different background of assumptions within which belief itself—both ours and that of traditional Buddhists—is construed.

This difference has been overlooked not because it is unimportant but because it is hard to see. It is operating at a level that is implicit, and therefore hidden. But our failure to acknowledge it threatens to sabotage a rich and meaningful dialogue with Buddhist tradition and in so doing to hinder significantly the fullness of Buddhism’s transmission to the West.

We know this difference by its telltale sign—that familiar tension. It shows up most vividly when we consider big themes: how we understand the central project of Buddhism—the nature of our selves and our problem, and the purpose and possibilities of our practice. For example, for the first time in history, to suggest today in some Buddhist circles that the purpose of Buddhism is exactly what the traditional texts tell us it is—which is to say, that it is concerned with the transcendent—can be to come across sounding like a rube or to meet with condescension.

“Enlightenment” and “liberation” are tricky terms, and Buddhists have argued about what exactly they mean since the time of the Buddha. Nonetheless, all traditions throughout Buddhist history have identified our problem with reference to samsara— the cycle of birth, suffering, death, and rebirth. The motivation for practice was to transcend that cycle—or to help others to do so. At the very least, a Buddhist might strive to attain a better rebirth as a step on the way. While the practice of dharma may (and often does) bring some comfort, enjoyment, and even happiness in this life, the seeking of these states has always been the very definition of what is not dharma practice. We seek these naturally, no practice required.

Consider then how strange it is that in modern Western Buddhism transcendent goals have become, for the most part, optional, and on top of that, they can oftentimes be—as I became more and more acutely aware, the longer I held the mike while the silence dragged on—the harder option to embrace. Meeting our religion head-on—by studying root texts and commentaries, participating in its ritual life, or adopting Buddhist narratives and doctrines—can even be regarded as anachronistic and naive.

I’d like to suggest that this difference is due not to culture or geography, as our commonly used “transplant and adapt” metaphor assumes; it is due to a difference in epoch. In entering modernity, Buddhism has crossed a boundary of a nature entirely different from any geographical, linguistic, and cultural barriers it has navigated historically. Buddhism has entered a secular age, and that’s not just new soil—it’s a whole new ecosystem.

To understand why this phase of dharma’s evolution is an unprecedented shift, it is necessary to look very closely at the nature of the dharma’s new secular environment. We might tend to think of secularism in terms of the separation of church and state. Depending on your perspective, this may seem like a positive development, and indeed, in many respects it is. The post- Enlightenment purge of religion from political institutions and public life and the dismantling of some ecclesiastical hierarchies have gone hand in hand with the rise of democracy and egalitarian values, including the protection of beliefs. Today, we who live in modern secular societies can, in principle, believe what we want—including Buddhism—or we can choose not to believe in any religion at all. So far, so good.

But there is a much deeper level of secularism. Our secular age is marked off from the earlier period of religious life not only by changes in belief but also, more profoundly, by shifts in the very preconditions of belief, the background within which both belief and disbelief are construed. Secularism in this sense sets the parameters, the limit conditions, for what kinds of crops can thrive in modernity’s field of spiritual possibilities. It sets zone conditions: first frost, temperature lows, rainfall highs.

To get a sense of how radically different this ecosystem is from any to which Buddhism has adapted in the past, it is illuminating to draw on recent scholarship by the Canadian philosopher Charles Taylor, a leader in the fields of secular studies and the history of subjectivity. Taylor’s field-defining book A Secular Age(2007) traces the development of Western secular modernity from its roots in Latin Christendom.

Imagine for a moment living in Europe 500 years ago. How might you have experienced your moral, spiritual, or religious world? What might your sense of self have been like? Religion was then built into the very fabric of social, political, and private life—much as it has been, and in some cases still is, in Asian Buddhist cultures. The existence of God was not a belief you held; it was, quite simply and axiomatically, the way things were. In this “enchanted” worldview, people experienced an environment permeated with God’s presence and with moral forces, including demons and spirits—a world in which power could hang out in objects like statues or relics, and sacred presence could be, as Taylor writes, “enacted in ritual, seen, felt touched, walked toward (in pilgrimage).” To be a person in this world was to be in interaction with these forces, both accessible and vulnerable to them. Taylor calls this type of subjectivity “porous.” For such people, there was, claims Taylor, “no distinction between experience and its construal.” In other words, in a world where ghosts are real, to see a ghost is to see a ghost, not to believe you see one.

But this changed in modernity. Our world became, in the sociologist Max Weber’s famous term, “disenchanted.” Cartesian dualism and the rise of science chased the spooks from their haunts “out there” into a newly understood “in here.” In this newly constituted (Taylor calls it “buffered”) sense of self, we modern people experience moral forces both beneficent and demonic as private, internal happenings, not as facts about our world. Our “natural” world is indifferent, value-neutral. For the first time in world history, people do not live in meaning; meaning lives in us.

Secular people sense the world to be self-sufficient and impersonal: our post-Galilean universe is governed by natural laws. We see our societies as human, not divine, creations; we follow moral laws put in place by people, not God. Our very frame of reference for making sense of our world and for participating in it is thus an “immanent frame,” says Taylor. Half a millennium ago, we couldn’t have made sense of the world without God; now it’s hard to make sense of it with him. The pre-Reformation experiences of being a believer or disbeliever are no longer available to modern people because the background context of belief has fundamentally shifted. Taylor holds that the modern age is an “entirely new context.” In this sense, he says, “secularity has to be described as the possibility or impossibility of certain kinds of experience in our age.”

In this new ecosystem of secularism, a new form of spiritual life is flourishing. To recognize it, it helps to note that religious sensibility comes in two types. One type of sensibility (Taylor calls it “closed”) understands the highest good and deepest sources of meaning to be located within this world; the other sensibility—an “open one”—seeks connection to the sacred in something beyond. In other words, says Taylor, all modern people living in the secular West share a common immanent frame of reference, but we can live within it either open or closed to the possibility of something beyond. In the history of religious life, this closed kind of religious sensibility is a newcomer. Until modernity, it wasn’t conceivable that the quotidian here-and-now could be all there was, so it was likewise unintelligible to imagine that a life lived meaningfully could orient itself in a fulfilling way to strictly immanent goals. Today, not only can we conceive of doing such a thing; we’re doing it en masse. The emergence of this new closed spiritual possibility marks the key difference between earlier times and the secular age.

To put this in Buddhist terms, in modern Western Buddhism, for the first time in Buddhist history, it is now possible to construe the purpose of dharma practice as the improvement of one’s psychological well-being or physical health, as a means to experience more harmony in one’s relationships, or as a way to build a more equitable, kind, and peaceful society. In this materialist-compatible version of Buddhism, death is the end, so the only problems are here and now. An endless cycle of birth, suffering, death, and rebirth doesn’t exist, so freedom from it is a not a coherent goal. In today’s science-based world, a buddha’s omniscient cognition or emanative forms seem, frankly, superstitious— part of an ignorant and outdated worldview no more relevant to modern people than ghosts or demons.

In contrast to this closed form of Buddhism, there remains an open one, in which Western Buddhist practitioners still strive for transcendent goals that once made sense within a traditional Buddhist world but that seem oddly incoherent against the backdrop of our daily secular lives. These spiritual practitioners (I include myself among them) experience a normative pull from the secular environment that makes it hard for us to take transcendent goals seriously, even as we actively practice to attain them. Those who seek transcendence in the context of the immanent frame have a brand-new disadvantage, one that Milarepa or Dogen never had to overcome. We have to perform a tug-of-war with ourselves that was never required of our spiritual predecessors. For Milarepa, to strive for awakening was to throw his weight toward the collective sense of cosmic order into which he was born. We, on the other hand, have to pull against ours. Our conviction can thus be double-headed. Like Dr. Dolittle’s pushmi-pullyu, many of us progress on our spiritual path two-steps-forward-one step-back: straining ahead toward our highest spiritual aspirations, drawn back by socially inculcated common sense. We don’t have the wind at our back.

Wanting to eliminate the tension drives some practitioners to adhere to tradition in the manner of fundamentalists. They retreat from the complexities of modernity into an anachronistic fantasy. Others think redefining “awakening” will resolve the tension: they reconstrue the problem so as not to reference samsara, assuming that recasting the problem won’t change the solution. Still others take on traditional Buddhist beliefs, but in so doing they extract these beliefs from the traditional Buddhist background context that supported them, and try to insert them into a modern secular background with which they are incompatible. It’s as if these practitioners are trying to run software designed for Windows on a Mac.

Any of these convert Buddhist practitioners might have deeply transforming experiences. But because these experiences will occur against the backdrop of the view of self understood as private, walled-off, and interior, and the view of meaning as inhering within the mind, such experiences will then likely be understood as private, psychological states, brain states, or states of consciousness, or even as personal achievements. It must then be asked, might not such an approach end up reinforcing and vindicating a self-experience that is a product of secular modernity? And because these experiences will occur against the backdrop of the view of the self as autonomous—rather than contingent— might they not further strengthen an already problematic misapprehension of the nature of the self that our texts tell us is the precise point of Buddhist practice to abandon?

Seen in this light, the adaptation of Buddhism to the West has two aspects. On the one hand, there is the rising popularity of a closed sensibility of dharma practice—one in which we have made a clear break with all previous Buddhist traditions, relocating techniques and teachings from a background context in which they served transcendent goals into one in which they serve immanent ones. On the other hand, there is an open sensibility of dharma practice in which practitioners navigate a deep incongruity between their practice and how their world is construed; where conviction struggles to plant a foothold for leverage against a strong counter-pull of doubt; and in which one must wonder and then ask, are the transcendent experiences of liberation and enlightenment, traditionally the core goals of Buddhist life, no longer possible for us?

If we are to push on the “transplant and adapt” metaphor for the transmission of the dharma to the West, we ought to be ever on the alert for another very real possibility it entails. We know from evolutionary biology that sometimes a species adapts to a point where it is no longer recognizable as itself, as happened 400 million years ago when the first animals made their way from ocean to land. Swimmers morphed into crawlers, and thus new species emerged. As we reflect on the nature of the transmission to date, we should be asking ourselves some very difficult questions. If we think of the dharma as a form of spiritual life, has the nature of its adaptation to a secular modernity changed it unrecognizably? Is modern dharma a new species? If so, in what sense can we then consider our dialogue with tradition authentic or our transmission successful?

If you operate within a closed dharma sensibility, the question might seem puzzling. It might seem like I’ve just asked something nonsensical—like, now that we know the world is round, have I lost the opportunity of jumping from its edge? Or maybe you’re thinking this closed form of Buddhism is a new species. And that’s a good thing! We’ve shrugged off all that superstition about reincarnation and karma, ghosts and demons, visions and relics—got the bugs out of the belief system. We’ve updated to Dharma 2.0.

Certainly it is true that throughout history Buddhism has always changed and adapted as it has moved from one culture to another. And we too, of course, have to make the dharma suit our culture—adapt it in a way that is authentic and relevant to our lives. We’ve worked hard to equalize institutional hierarchies and address women’s rights, for example. But Western converts have also used this justification to “update versions”: to omit or reinterpret doctrines that seem supernatural—like rebirth or karma, liberation or enlightenment; to downplay modes of knowing outside the bounds of instrumental reason— such as symbols and myths; and to discard practices that seem adventitious—like rituals. Here is why it is important to appreciate that there is more to Buddhism than a set of beliefs or tenets and to understand that beliefs are rooted within a context of implicit background assumptions that gives them sense, meaning, and force. If we fail to recognize the existence and importance of background context, we will consequently fail to see what is unprecedented about the transmission of Buddhism to the West. While Buddhism is indeed crossing between cultures, it is not doing only that: In entering secular modernity, it is also jumping historical epochs, and that makes for a much wider chasm. Buddhism is being pulled into the background contexts not just of Western culture but also of secular modernity— and in terms of the survival of a religion, the latter is a new and especially problematic threshold.

Updating the dharma to fit with our secular mindset isn’t simply change on the order of dress and manners. We’re not talking different taste or customs here. It is an attempt to fix the dharma, to make it right, which is to say, scientific. From the perspective of scientific naturalism, it makes sense to do this, because when one operates within that perspective, it seems that only believers are making leaps of faith. Secular humanists assume themselves to be commitment-free rationalists. But that is a profound misunderstanding. To assume “this is all there is” is also to make a leap of faith.

What is so difficult for us all to see is that we too have a worldview. We simply assume that the world we call “natural” is the only world, that the way we experience and think about things is the way things exist from their own side. Coupled with that assumption is another one: now we’ve got it right. Secular modernity has sloughed off the false beliefs and superstitions of our ancestors and uncovered the real truth, which is hard scientific fact. Taylor calls this progress myth a “subtraction story.” These are powerful biases, hard to shake, not because they are true but because they feel so self-evident.

Reflect on the earlier discussion of the porous/buffered self and the enchanted/disenchanted world. Consider that the self, its environment, the possible relationship between the self and its environment, and the type of knowledge available to a particular kind of self in a particular kind of environment are all culturally construed and historically contingent. They cannot, therefore, be “objective” facts.

When we assume that our secular worldview is de facto true, we are confusing conditions for reality withfeatures of it. This is a little like setting our online newsfeed parameters so that we just get local news, and then coming to the conclusion that all news is local. In exactly the same way, immanence is a precondition for what can count as real in secular modernity. Western convert Buddhists often tend to mistake this background assumption for a feature of reality, and then as a consequence have a hard time making sense of transcendence, which was, by definition, just ruled out.

Before it arrived in Western secular modernity, Buddhism never had to reckon with transcendence being problematic in this way. No previous Buddhist culture construed objectivity and subjectivity as we do, so neither did our predecessors banish values, purpose, and meaning to inner space—nor could they have conceived of spiritual or moral life as just a matter of personal choice or subjective judgment. To be unaware that reality has moral and spiritual dimensions has always meant, as our texts tell us, that one is out of touch with how things are. To ignore reality’s moral and spiritual imperatives has a consequence— continued suffering. Buddhist practice, in its traditional context, is to align oneself more and more deeply with the cosmic order. Transcendence occurs when that coming into alignment is complete. In this paradigm, transcendence isn’t ruled out by the definition of the real. It is the definition of the real.

Even among worldviews, which are all convincing to their adherents, secular humanism combined with scientific materialism has a particularly compelling normative force. The success of instrumental reason in producing vast wealth, status, and power combined with obvious scientific and technological advances allows us to believe that this style of thinking and its discipline of science are not just efficacious but also indubitably and solely true. By these standards, other worldviews and other modes of knowing are unable to justify themselves and therefore seem invalid. But failure to satisfy the criteria by which secular modernity measures success is not a shortcoming of other worldviews and other modes of knowing; it is simply a result of applying our own criteria outside their ken. For the past 100 years, scholars across fields ranging from philosophy and cultural anthropology to the history of science, sociology, literary studies, and linguistics have questioned the assumptions that constitute the immanent frame. Unpacking why the immanent frame’s subtraction story spin is so convincing has been and continues to be an urgent challenge for modern thinkers who are concerned about the ethical implications of unbridled individualism let loose in a value-neutral world.

The point here is not that a traditional Asian worldview (or some other) is right and ours is wrong, but that our secular and materialist convictions block us in certain critical ways from participating in what has always constituted a Buddhist form of life. Much of the meaning of a religion is conveyed in its symbols, rituals, and myths. Consider how our privileging of rational knowing gets in our way.

Certainly we cannot turn the clock back. There is no returning to a presecular world. We must reckon with our secular scientific background. What, then, is the way forward?

There are no easy answers. We might begin, however, by confronting our biases—indeed, our chauvinisms: our presumption that science has got it all figured out; that the modern worldview is a triumph over all past forms of understanding; and that today we are closer to a truer understanding of ourselves and our world than people of any other place and time. We need to start examining the immanent frame’s background assumptions, which constrain our sense of the possible. As we hold each assumption up for examination—as we pull it from the background and into the foreground and subject it to analysis—something curious happens. In a certain sense it loses its power over us—its status as “the way things are”—and becomes one possible way among many ways that things could be.

Examining and even questioning the foundational assumptions of secular and scientific materialism doesn’t mean we stop doing science or stop living in a technological world. Rather, it means we begin to see our worldview as a worldview, to appreciate how it, too, came to be constituted on the basis of a number of sleights of hand and is, as a result, no more universal or final or resting on solid ground than the worldviews of our medieval Western or traditional Buddhist predecessors. Like their worldviews, ours is a set of conventions. We can then understand that this is what it means to have a worldview: the human form of life operates within a vast web of implicit background understandings that limit what can count as valid beliefs and experiences.

The distinction between explicit beliefs and their implicit background context has been a critical one in our own Western philosophical tradition for the last century. Many of our most prominent thinkers—from Wittgenstein to Kuhn up to Taylor— have called attention to its importance and the problems that arise when it is overlooked. Although the understanding of background context emerged in the West, its implications lead us back home to one of the core teachings of Buddhist tradition— the two truths. When we as Buddhists consider that all our experiences, along with the objects of our experiences—and even subjectivity and objectivity themselves—arise within the context of implicit background assumptions, we recognize what we call “conventional truth.” When we consider that therefore, as a consequence, no worldview can appeal to the objects of its own creation for its own validation—that no worldview rests on solid ground in this sense—we recognize “ultimate truth,” emptiness.

At some moment it could hit us that the liberative possibilities spoken of in Buddhist texts may not be superstitious fairy tales. They may be real possibilities. For the first time it may seem plausible, indeed credible, that just as our form of human life gave rise to the material accomplishments toward which it directed its aspirations—skyscrapers and Internet technology and the like—so too might another form of human life, operating within different background assumptions, with different aspirations and with an understanding of its own conventional nature, be capable of giving rise to spiritual accomplishments like liberation and enlightenment. Then with courage and genuine humility we might begin to look at our job as dharma pioneers differently. Our cutting-edge task is not to fit Buddhism into our world. Nor is it to adapt ourselves to fit a world that is no longer available to us as it might have been to our ancestors. It is to reach across a great chasm and to meet our tradition in a new place where it—and we—have never been before

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Nowadays, many people dismiss rebirth, kamma, other realms, and maybe even enlightenment.
I’m glad that I’m someone who has faith in the Buddha, Dhamma, and Sangha.

If there was someone with psychic powers flying through the air, I think people’s arrogance in their secular worldview would weaken and they would be more open to rebirth, kamma, and other realms.

I hope I can one day attain psychic powers as a lay person and help the world to have faith in the Buddha, Dhamma, and Sangha.

:pray:

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Not necessary and wrong view would still find a way to fit it into whatever worldview was clung to. The real antidote is within the teachings - those fortunate enough to study and consider them gradually straighten out their view ( diṭṭhi-uju-kamma).

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The Buddha disapproved of the use of psychic powers for many reasons:

  • They may be dismissed as mere tricks of magicians.
  • Ascetics from other sects with psychic powers might use them to promote their wrong views. Having great powers does not equate to having Right View.
  • They may attract undesirable attention to those who perform miracles, leading to personality cults.
  • Arahants without psychic powers could be less revered than non-arahants who possess them.
  • The investigation of miracles might overshadow the investigation of the teachings.
  • Many people who could understand the Dhamma without the display of miracles might actually be harmed by inappropriate exposure to psychic powers.

Performing psychic powers is forbidden for monastics, and it is likely that the Buddha would not have approved of lay disciples displaying miracles either.

DN 11- Kevaṭṭasutta, about the three types of miracles

“Sir, this Nāḷandā is successful and prosperous, populous, full of people. Please direct a mendicant to perform a superhuman demonstration of psychic power. Then Nāḷandā will become even more devoted to the Buddha!”

When he said this, the Buddha said, “Kevaḍḍha, I do not teach Dhamma to the mendicants like this: ‘Come now, mendicants, perform a superhuman demonstration of psychic power for the white-clothed laypeople.’”

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Think there really are no easy answers to this, there really has been an irreversible shift. Whether we’re western “converts” or even to some extent even born and raised Buddhists, the refuge was taken on a backdrop of a world where the understanding that there even is kamma, rebirth and escape from birth and death was more or less optional to believe at first.

Even the option to believe, which can be gone in a thought moment, Is a modern thing that the article aptly diagnoses as something happening “in here” rather than something given in the world. And the time in which it was given in the world and this all maybe would be better understood is basically gone. Though it can still be learned from to correct modern misunderstandings.

An important point was made in the article though.

Examining and even questioning the foundational assumptions of secular and scientific materialism doesn’t mean we stop doing science or stop living in a technological world. Rather, it means we begin to see our worldview as a worldview, to appreciate how it, too, came to be constituted on the basis of a number of sleights of hand and is, as a result, no more universal or final or resting on solid ground than the worldviews of our medieval Western or traditional Buddhist predecessors. Like their worldviews, ours is a set of conventions. We can then understand that this is what it means to have a worldview: the human form of life operates within a vast web of implicit background understandings that limit what can count as valid beliefs and experiences.

disagree with some of it, it can probably be solidly agreed on here that the traditional Buddhist predecessors knew more than we did or ever will as moderns, but it is a good point all in all. The background understanding are malleable, and because they are they can be gotten past. Just a new grain to develop understanding against.

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I have always said… “Lets assume the Bodhisatta could have waited 30 minutes to an hour before coming to earth in Tusita time. If he did, he would be born in our age. He could have Webinars, Podcasts and could be a Televangelist. But would there really be anyone to really hear him? Some would hear him, but most would not really hear.”

And that is why it was 30 minutes earlier. But we also know in order for the right time to be born, all other kamma of those who are ripe and ready and determined to be there with him were also aligned at the same time.

In actuality, we are all the dumb or unlucky ones. We didn’t have the parami to be born at the right time with the Buddha as human. But some of us were probably there… and we were too dumb to listen.

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Mundane right view is important to understand the Dhamma, and it doesn’t not depend on advanced scholar or scientific knowledge to be obtained. One of the tenets of mundane right view is (MN117 The Great Forty):

“there are in the world good and virtuous recluses and brahmins who have realised for themselves by direct knowledge and declare this world and the other world”.

The Dhamma is “timeless” and “visible here-and-now.” And yet, it requires certain conditions to be directly understood. The profound truths of “this world and the other” are hard to see for the average person without virtuous conduct and mental development.

Pre-modern societies had a certain intuition about this fact. They revered those who dedicated themselves to religious practice and had faith in their declarations. It was within this context of trust in religious authority that the Buddha lived and spread his teachings. Such a level of trust is much less present in modern societies.

Trust in religious authority can be undermined by certain behaviors on the part of priests and contemplatives:

  • Moral decline.
  • Pursuit of material wealth (proper to the laypeople, but inappropriate for contemplatives).
  • Using religious doctrines for personal gain.
    -Excessive concern with matters that do not provide solutions to people’s suffering.

The Buddha’s instructions for the Saṅgha are meant to prevent these harmful behaviors as much as possible and to preserve people’s faith in religious authority.

Another attitude that undermines confidence in religious authority is making statements about “this world” (whether referring to everyday reality or the physical world with its natural laws) that can be contradicted by sensible common sense, direct observation, or a more careful examination of the evidence. Making inappropriate claims about “this world” will naturally lead people to question statements about the “other world”—which is supposedly a reality theoretically inaccessible to ordinary humans but comprehensible to the contemplatives. In this regard, the Buddha was very cautious in avoiding discussions about deeper aspects of the physical world or addressing such topics through metaphors and symbolic language.

On the other hand, various religious movements have chosen to engage in debates about the Universe and insist on literal interpretations of religious texts regarding the physical world, turning them into unquestionable dogmas. However, when such dogmas about nature are discredited by scientific inquiry, statements about topics that cannot be investigated using the same methodology also lose credibility—even those that may contain some truth.

I think that for those who are getting to know the Dhamma in this context of valuing scientific knowledge and distrusting more transcendental knowledge, insisting too much on the scientific aspect of the teachings may be counterproductive. It is more appropriate to first try to understand the more immediate aspects, in everyday life, which can bring benefits here and now and reduce the burden of suffering. It is also important to develop confidence in the Sangha, not based on the academic knowledge of the teachers, but on the qualities that show they are worthy of trust—renunciation, contentment, goodwill, composure, dedication to practice, etc.

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Thanks for the link Robert.

To me, it’s the dismissal of enlightenment that is the key problem. As the article says:

Of course, it is clear from the suttas that Dhamma practice does have these effects - those who are practising correctly are happy, radiant, kind, compassionate, and harmonious. But they achieve much more than that…

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Yes. I wrote something similar here.
Sujin discussion
*[someone] said she wanted to have less aversion and this is a common question. However it is not really the right attitude if we want to develop satipatthana only to have a more peaceful life. The aim is to learn what life really is and so to gradually eliminate the wrong view of self.

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I am a Classical Theravādin, not a Hare Krisha, however, I came across an excellent essay by a Hare Krisha (Krishna West, not ISKON) teacher about the limitations of science in dealing with consciousness. In a world so influenced by scientific thought, I feel understanding his points are extremely important.

He writes in part:

One thing that philosophy, history, and our own consciousness show us, however, is that neither a hard nor soft science – as science – can ever fully describe reality, including the reality of consciousness itself. This is because science, by its own rules, can only study the physical dimension of an irreducibly bi-dimensional universe that is both physical and metaphysical. Thus, if consciousness ultimately proves to be a metaphysical entity, then neither hard sciences like neurology nor soft sciences like psychology can provide a complete explanation of consciousness. I am to provide clear evidence that a metaphysical realm exists. If it does, what is the metaphysical realm – life’s dimension beyond the physical realm?

He then goes on to talk a little bit about metaphysics:

The Encyclopedia Britannica tells us that “metaphysics was a term used by early students of Aristotle to refer to the contents of Aristotle’s treatise on what he himself called ‘First Philosophy’… which Aristotle had also referred to as ‘theology’ (because God was the ‘unmoved mover’ in his system).”

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy accepts as a metaphysical issue the question of “whether mind is a material mechanism, subject to deterministic laws, or whether it is something else that entails free will.” It further notes that the problem of free will (or the problem of the mental and the physical) is among the philosophical problems now considered to be metaphysical in nature, and then makes a key logical point: “Ancient and medieval philosophers might have said that metaphysics was the science that studies being as such, or the first cause… A philosopher who denied the existence of those things would now be considered to be making thereby a metaphysical assertion.”

He then goes on to talk about the limitations of certain fields of study:

In other words, to affirm or deny a claim or proposition in a particular field of knowledge is to locate oneself – i.e., make a claim – within that particular field. For example, regardless of whether an algebra teacher marks an equation right or wrong, the teacher is making a claim about algebra; regardless of whether one considers a proposed cause of the American Revolution to be correct or incorrect, one is making a claim about history.

And he then talks about a double standard of acceptance when certain individuals make claims out of their specific fields:

  • Analogously, were a professor at a public university to seriously claim that Zeus is the god of sky and thunder, they would likely be fired for preaching religion. On the other hand, should that same professor claim that Zeus is not the god of sky and thunder, and that there are various neurological and historical reasons that people believed such nonsense, she would be considered a scholar – even though by denying that Zeus is the god of sky and thunder she is equally making a religious claim. Thus, in public universities – and basically all non-religious universities – you are free to preach metaphysical religious positions so long as they are negative, even though both positive and negative claims are within the same domain. This is just one logical point that is routinely overlooked in our incredibly brilliant philosophical age!*

And then he points out that to claim that consciousness is wholly material is to make not a scientific, but a metaphysical claim. Which, as he has already pointed out, is outside of the realm of scientists and within the realm of metaphysicians:

Similarly, to claim thatm. consciousness is wholly material is to make not a scientific, but rather a metaphysical claim. One cannot scientifically claim that consciousness is wholly physical because the claim itself is metaphysical in nature. And, by the way, I have nothing against real science; indeed, when scientists are really doing science, I’m actually a great fan. Certainly, rational persons are deeply grateful for all the pain and suffering that science has alleviated. And from a purely intellectual point of view, science has enriched our lives immeasurably and actually saved us from very dangerous, violent forms of religious fanaticism; although sometimes, science itself becomes a dangerous form of religious fanaticism.

He goes on, and the essay is very interesting.

Although he is an eternalist, the author makes important and accurate observations vis a vis this specific topic, in my opinion.

The article can be read here:

History of the Science-Religion Interaction in the West – A Summary by Hridayananda das Goswami (Howard J. Resnick, Ph.D.)

Renaldo

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Modern science has diverged greatly from the Father of Science, Aristotle, as it now emphasises empirical, quantifiable methods above Aristotelian teleology (for example, Aristotle claimed that an acorn’s intrinsic telos is to become a fully grown oak tree).

Aristotle emphasised metaphysics as being a higher science than physics. For example, he pointed out:

This is confirmed by the fact [5] that no science—practical, productive, or theoretical—troubles itself about it. For on the one hand he who produces a house does not produce all the attributes that come into being along with the house; for these are innumerable; the house that is made may be pleasant for some people, hurtful to some, and useful to others, and different—to put it shortly—from all things that are; and the science of building does [10] not aim at producing any of these attributes.

Aristotle. Metaphysics (Illustrated) . Aeterna Press. Kindle Edition.

And:

And the highest science must deal with the highest genus, so that the theoretical sciences are superior to the other sciences, and this to the other theoretical sciences. One might indeed raise the question whether first philosophy is universal, or deals with one [25] genus, i.e. some one kind of being; for not even the mathematical sciences are all alike in this respect,—geometry and astronomy deal with a certain particular kind of thing, while universal mathematics applies alike to all. We answer that if there is no substance other than those which are formed by [30] nature, natural science will be the first science; but if there is an immovable substance, the science of this must be prior and must be first philosophy, and universal in this way, because it is first. And it will belong to this to consider being qua being—both what it is and the attributes which belong to it qua being.

Aristotle. Metaphysics (Illustrated) . Aeterna Press. Kindle Edition.

This movement follows Galileo and Newton, whose influence eventually led physics to become more autonomous and to largely divorce itself from metaphysical questions about ‘being’ or final causes. The result is that people often look to physics’ empirical findings to derive metaphysical understandings from, hence the rise of scientific materialism.

Renaldo

Great article, thanks