Samatha trust, yogavacara, Paul Dennison

from dhammawheel:

Samvara: the Samatha Trust teach a single method of distinctive meditation. It’s normally taught in person by a designated teacher, and there is a tradition of practising in groups (either in-person or online via Zoom) and of “reporting” to one’s teacher to check the practice is going OK. It comes from the Yogāvacara tradition in Thailand, and was brought to the UK by a man named Nai Boonman. He and his early British followers managed to preserve this part of “Pre-Reform” Buddhist practice which - as you say - was largely supplanted by Vipassana techniques which followed the Thai reforms and “caught the wave” of Western popularity.

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https://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?p=668636&hilit=Paul+Dennison#p668636
[samvara] I’ve been practising the method taught by the Samatha Trust for some years now. A while ago I attended a workshop run by them that was specifically about attaining jhānas. (Well, who wouldn’t try it?) They are your standard western middle-class well-educated professionals, just like the other loose groupings of Buddhist practitioners that I have known, with possibly a higher proportion of academics, doctors, psychologists, and the like. Paul Dennison (the author of the linked academic article) is one of the senior teachers, and although I have never met him outside of Zoom, the other teachers refer to him a lot.

Anyway, to cut a long story short, the meditation technique was well taught on this workshop, but I was somewhat taken aback by how quickly the advanced practitioners could access what they termed were jhānas. (“OK, for this next session we’ll be entering first jhana again, but not staying there too long. I’ll give the word, and we’ll drop vitakka and vicāra and move straight on up to second jhāna…”). As per usual, I just felt happily calm and peaceful as a result of concentrating on the breath, but the advanced lot very quickly looked as if they were, one after the other, starting to have seizures. Rhythmic twitching, panting, shaking, and in some cases bouncing up and down several inches into the air. Having just Googled what the clonic part of a tonic clonic seizure looks like, that’s what appeared to be happening. Including to the doctors and psychologists, and nobody - apart from me - seemed to think it strange. A reference was made to some people (but not all, due to kammic differences) experiencing a sudden uncontrollable surge of pīti which had this effect.

Of course, with my typical English fear of not being thought broad-minded, I nodded sagely. I even felt a bit left out. Should I try faking it in order to fit in?

So the questions remain. Are Dennison et al experiencing jhāna and everyone else who claims to experience it are wrong? And if so, why does the Buddha - and the commentaries - not mention these “side effects”? Or are they training themselves down a blind alley of inducing clonic seizures which are nothing to do with jhāna? Or have they somehow self-selected to create a small safe space for epileptic meditators? Are they all faking it because they have read Dennison’s article and also see this behaviour as a means of claiming they are expert meditators?

It’s very odd that I have never, in many years of retreat-going in different traditions, seen anything like this elsewhere. I once knew a monk who was subject to rapid jerky movements during meditation, but that was different and was associated with a type of neurological or mental illness.

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I’m not in tune with pop culture enough to make one, but it really feels like there is a meme in there somehow.

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Does not sound correct to me.
I vaguely remember reading something by them on the 24 paccayas. It was simple and good. I could not find it on the website.

The TM people try to “hop” while in a sitting posture when their meditation is “going good”. Perhaps something similar is happening.

I think they also sponsored Ajahn Sumedho to come to the UK and that was how Chithurst Moanstery started.

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It sounds odd to me.

I believe that was the English Sangha Trust.

The English Sangha Trust, the stewards and owners of the Vihara, had been established in 1956 with the express aim of providing a suitable residence for bhikkhus in England. By 1972, this aim had not been achieved, and it was time to consider why. In some people’s minds, in fact, it now seemed an impossibility.

https://www.dhammatalks.net/Books2/Ajahn_Sumedho_Cittaviveka.htm#HOW

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From a link on the samatha.org
Yogāvacara Talks | Samatha Buddhist Meditation
https://itipiso.org/

The teaching of Buddhist meditation in the West has developed strongly since the 1960s, such that there is now widespread familiarity with words such as “mindfulness" and “vipassanā". A very basic approach to mindfulness, for example, is used in mindfulness-based cognitive therapy, (MBCT) introduced into the UK Health Service in 2010 as a treatment for recurrent depression. Vipassanā for a while became a catch-all term for Buddhist meditation, particularly in the 1960s and 70s, and it is only relatively recently that samatha meditation is becoming better understood in the West.

The development of meditation teachings in the West has also paralleled major upheavals in source countries such as Tibet, as well as reforms and upheavals in Southeast Asian countries such as Thailand, Cambodia, Burma, Laos, Vietnam and Sri Lanka. Some of the “reforms”, as in early 19th century Thailand when a new ordination line, the Thammayutika Nikāya, was formed, continued into 1950s Thailand with the two sects the Thammayutika Nikāya and the Mahā Nikāya vying for influence, seeking to modernise and Westernise Buddhist practices. This was at the expense of centuries-old esoteric practices related to the samatha tradition, suppressed in favour of the “dry” Burmese vipassanā practice which was heavily promoted in the 1950s.

Research in Cambodia by L’École Française d’Extrême-Orient (EFEO), and in particular by the French ethnologist François Bizot since the 1970s, has recovered a number of old palm-leaf manuscripts related to the older practices, with similar texts also found in Thailand and Sri Lanka. This has opened up an interest in what has come to be known as Tantric Theravāda, or Boran Kammathāna (ancient practices), or the way of the Yogāvacara. Because of the cryptic nature of these texts, which reflect only fragments of what has always been an oral tradition, there is great scope for misinterpretations and misunderstandings if taken out of context from direct meditation experience.

and this is from wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yog%C4%81 … 27s_manual
The Yogāvacara’s manual is a Theravada Buddhist meditation manual with unique and unorthodox features such as the use of mental images of the elements, the mantra “A-RA-HAN”, and the use of a candle for meditation. It has been loosely dated from the 16th to the 17th century.[1]

Overview
The text is addressed to a “Yogāvacara”, referring to any practitioner of Buddhist meditation and hence it is a practical meditation manual.[2]

The text covers Buddhist meditation material such as the ten recollections (anussati), the brahmaviharas, the five kinds of piti (joy), the four formless realms (arūpajhāna), the nimittas, and 10 vipassanā-ñāṇas.[3] It teaches a form of breath meditation in which one cultivates a bright perception of a nimitta at the tip of the nose and moves it down the body to the heart and then to the navel.[4] It also includes many other exercises such as meditation using a candle flame, kasinas and the use of mental images of the elements (mahābhūta).[5]

The single rare Pali and Sinhalese manuscript was discovered in 1893 at Bamabara-walla Vihara in Sri Lanka by Anagarika Dharmapala.[6] T.W. Rhys Davids of the Pali Text Society translated the text into English in 1896. It was later translated by F.L. Woodward as “Manual of a Mystic”. The manuscript has no information on the author and has no title.[7]

Some scholars like Francois Bizot have argued that this work is influenced by the esoteric Theravada tradition, though other such as Justin Thomas McDaniel find this assertion dubious.[8] Caroline Rhys Davids notes that in the 16th and 17th centuries monks from Siam were invited by the Kandyan kings to revive Buddhism in the island and states it is possible that the manual derives from this tradition.[

Kudos for my blog title which gets #1 ranking.

“Secret Teachings Theravada”

I left Mahayana with the thought. “These so-called basic teachings are more than I can absorb. I don’t need these extra advanced teachings.”

This is similar to how it’s taught in the Vimuttimagga.

Here is a lot of materials on this topic

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1W3p3-ZGNWYaPbCxufSDyPflnthyYvPEQ

Thank you this is excellent.

I can not speak about the Samatha Trust from direct experience, but the images they post online show they are not directly connected to any living so-called “Yogavacara” or Kammatthan Boran lineage.

They seem to be combining what they learned from Nai Boon with some of Bizot’s work and the nearly Victorian translation of the Yogavacara Manual by Woodward.

For example they do group meditation with the candle on the tripod over the alms bowl. While this is used as a sort of meditation timer it is usual to do one on one with the teacher. This is personal instruction but not secret per se. In Thailand it is still practiced and images are posted on Facebook so hardly secret or esoteric.

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I suppose the usefulness of all these links is to demonstrate how they deviate far from orthodox Theravada?
Perhaps add some comments about this.

edit: I waited a day and there was no reply to this question. So I have removed the post as it appears they were promoting these wrong ideas.
If you wish to re-add them please explain their relevance to classical theravada.
see this FAQ/Guidelines public

The pre reform fixation in scholarship is a bit of a side effect of social sciences/religious studies latest obsession with “modernity” and escape from it. There’s been this shift towards challenging secularism, which is warranted, through historical critique of the movements that revived interests in the Buddha’s teachings in the 19th century. So now in western meditation circles instead of purity wars over what the original teachings were there are now purity wars over what any reform effort has touched.

Apparently it doesn’t occur to them that the reform movements relied on the rigorous scholarship of indigenous thinkers reading the classics of their own cultural heritage. And that if they read about them they’d know that secular and western influence on it was minimal.

And also of course the more obvious fact that the teachings they studied were from ancient and medieval times. Oops.

could you explain the relation with the topic.

Was just commenting on the interest in Esoteric schools of Theravada by western meditation scholars and teachers such as Paul Dennison since he was mentioned. I now see I rushed in without reading enough. Apologies.

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perhaps you can bring it back on topic. . I opened the thread as I thought it was obviously at odds with Theravada - an example of deviation from the right path.

That was my point as well, I just may not have communicated it well.

What I mean is that efforts of organizations like this seem to be more concerned with escape from modernity than escape from samsara. And don’t give enough credit to great masters who revived interest in orthodox Theravada.

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My other point was that the obsession people that champion occultism have with Classical Theravada being “reformist” and “westernizing” is condescending to scholars from traditionally Theravada practicing cultures who revived interest in the Dhamma.

Some of the “reforms”, as in early 19th century Thailand when a new ordination line, the Thammayutika Nikāya, was formed, continued into 1950s Thailand with the two sects the Thammayutika Nikāya and the Mahā Nikāya vying for influence, seeking to modernise and Westernise Buddhist practices. This was at the expense of centuries-old esoteric practices related to the samatha tradition, suppressed in favour of the “dry” Burmese vipassanā practice which was heavily promoted in the 1950s

It makes no sense to say Ledi Sayadaw and other Venerables were Westernizing Buddhist practices. Because it was their tradition. As for saying they were modernizing it, what they were basing their practice on was ancient Pali texts. So that accusation also makes no sense.

Is basically what I’m saying.

I agree. The ancients - i.e. Theravada - preserved the teachings. They were the Bhikkhus at the first council, second and third in India.
And again they were the monks who finally wrote down the teachings at the 4th council in Tambapanni (Sri Lanka)during the reign of King Vattagamani Abhaya (29–17 BCE) at Alu Vihara.
The bhikkhus at the Mahavihara in Anuradhapura then preserved the Dhamma and the great Bhikkhu Buddhaghosa edited the ancient Commentaries and translated them back from Singhala to Pali. At that time it is said that so many bhikkhus were arahat.

Nevertheless I would say there were innovations in at least some of the new Burmese methods dating from the late 19th century, which seem to be retrofitted to ancient texts like the Visuddhimagga.

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