Hello all,
Does anyone understand the classical Theravada understanding of the 8 types of ariya - the four types of noble ones taken in pairs.
sotāpattiphalasacchikiriyāya paṭipanne dānaṁ datvā
having given a gift to one who has entered upon the way to experiencing the fruit of Stream-Entryasaṅkheyyā appameyyā dakkhiṇā pāṭikaṅkhitabbā.
an immeasurable, unlimited offering is to be expected (in return).Ko pana vādo Sotāpanne?
What to say about a Stream-Enterer?Ko pana vādo Sakadāgāmiphalasacchikiriyāya paṭipanne?
What to say about one who has entered upon the way to experiencing the fruit of Once-Returning?Ko pana vādo Sakadāgāmissa?
What to say about a Once-Returner?Ko pana vādo Anāgāmiphalasacchikiriyāya paṭipanne?
What to say about one who has entered upon the way to experiencing the fruit of Non-Returning?Ko pana vādo Anāgāmissa?
What to say about a Non-Returner?Ko pana vādo Arahattaphalasacchikiriyāya paṭipanne?
What to say about one who has entered upon the way to experiencing the fruit of Worthiness?Ko pana vādo Arahante?
What to say about a Worthy One?
https://www.ancient-buddhist-texts.net/ … 0woGA#toc3
Buddhaghosa’s Visuddhimagga has a chapter on this in XXII regarding Gotrabhu (change of lineage) and then the 8 types of ariyas (path and fruit of each stage of enlightenment). But I can’t say I understand what he’s talking about when he distinguishes between one who has entered upon the path of a sotapanna and an actual sotapanna who has realized the fruits.
- Immediately next to that knowledge [path of sotapanna], however, there arise either two or three
fruition consciousnesses, which are its result. For it is owing to this very fact that
supramundane profitable [consciousness] results immediately that it is said,
“And which he called the concentration with immediate result” (Sn 226), and
“Sluggishly he reaches what has immediate result for the destruction of the
cankers” (A II 149), and so on.- Some, however, say that there are one, two, three, four, or five fruition
consciousnesses. That is inadmissible. For change-of-lineage knowledge arises
at the end of conformity’s repetition, so at the minimum there must be two
conformity consciousnesses, since one alone does not act as repetition condition.
And a single series of impulsions has a maximum of seven [impulsion]
consciousnesses. Consequently, that series which has two conformities and
change-of-lineage as a third and path consciousness as fourth has three fruition
consciousnesses. That which has three conformities and change-of-lineage as
fourth and path consciousness as fifth has two fruition consciousnesses. That is
why it was said above, “There arise either two or three fruition consciousnesses.”- Then some say that which has four conformities and change-of-lineage as
fifth and path consciousness as sixth has one fruition consciousness. But that is
refuted because it is the fourth or fifth [impulsion] that reaches [the path], not
those after that, owing to their nearness to the life-continuum (see IV.75). So that
cannot be accepted as correct. [676]- And at this point this stream-enterer is called the second noble person.
However negligent he may be, he is bound to make an end of suffering when he
has travelled and traversed the round of rebirths among deities and human
beings for the seventh time.
The common non-classical idea that anyone practicing to be a sotapanna is one who has entered the path doesnt seem to be supported by the Visuddhimagga, which states the level of gotrabhu must be achieved before entering upon the path to sotapanna, and if you look at the preceding chapter in the Vism, gotrabhu requires some attainment of jhana and mastery of the conformity knowledges first. the difference between path and fruit of ariya stages seems to be meditative attainment/fetter(?) related but perhaps in a more subtle way than the differences in the actual four levels of enlightement. Although if someone was to ask me to explain the difference between path and fruit of ariya stages I certainly dont think i could.
Is anyone here knowledgeable in this? Or at least think you know what Buddhaghosa is talking about?