kammassakatā-ñāṇa and becoming a bhikkhu

On dhammawheel someone wondered if monks should believe in kamma and rebirth and Robert Eddison replied:

Robert Eddison: I think there’s good reason to believe that those who denied kamma and rebirth would have been refused upasampadā.

From the suttas we learn that when a samaṇa from another teaching sought admission as a bhikkhu, the standard procedure was a four‑month probation to test his suitability, though the Buddha sometimes granted exemptions in individual cases.

The suttas don’t spell out the details of this probation, but the Vinaya’s Mahāvagga does. It lists five possible ways a probationer could fail, the fifth being especially telling:

5. He’s displeased when anyone disparages the teacher, the views, the beliefs, the persuasion, or the opinions of the religious community he’s left; but he’s pleased when anyone disparages the Buddha, the Teaching, or the Sangha. He’s pleased when anyone praises the teacher, the views, the beliefs, the persuasion, or the opinions of the religious community he’s left; but he’s displeased when anyone praises the Buddha, the Teaching, or the Sangha.

When he fails in this way, he should not be given the full ordination.

And this is how someone who has been a monastic of another religion passes his probation:

  1. He’s pleased when anyone disparages the teacher, the views, the beliefs, the persuasion, or the opinions of the religious community he’s left; but he’s displeased when anyone disparages the Buddha, the Teaching, or the Sangha. He’s displeased when anyone praises the teacher, the views, the beliefs, the persuasion, or the opinions of the religious community he’s left; but he’s pleased when anyone praises the Buddha, the Teaching, or the Sangha.

When he passes in this way, he should be given the full ordination.

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Later, an exemption is introduced: the Jatilas were to be admitted directly, without probation. The rationale was that they already upheld the doctrines of kammavāda and kiriyavāda – that deeds are real and that actions bear results.

But any dreadlocked, fire-worshiping ascetic who comes to be ordained should be given the full ordination without probation. Why is that? Because they believe that deeds and actions have results.

So if one had previously followed a kamma‑denying teacher such as Ajita Kesakambali or Pakudha Kaccāyana, surviving probation would mean consistently approving when their materialism was criticized and kammavipāka affirmed. If one still clung to those views, one would hardly be able to do so (at least not in good faith) and thus would fail the probation.

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Hmmm for some reason my writing was included in a quote. seems to be some issue with the forum at the moment.

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yes.. it seems that all of your posts you initiated are highlighted as if a quote. Actually, it must be the new settings.. My posts are done in the same way. First one is hilighed like a “quote”.

Amazing that it seems to take only 4 months to change one’s view. How much of believe is within the control of volition?

Yes, another thing I would think of is that novice monks with wrong views can be dismissed telling them not to refer to the Buddha as his teacher. It’s in Pc 70. Although that rule technically is saying about view on what’s obstructive and what’s not.

It’s damaging nowadays if we have monks who actually downplay the importance of having right view for those intending to ordain.

The 4 months is to be sure they really had right view at that level. They shouldn’t even ask to join the sangha in the first place if they don’t have basic understanding.

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It is quite common to vow to wait 4 years even though 4 months is required. There is actually a monk from Greece who stayed as a samanera for four years. He is a very powerful and knowledgeable Mahathera now.

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mahāsīhanādasuttaṃ

8. The Greater Discourse on the Lion’s Roar

esāhaṃ, bhante, bhagavantaṃ saraṇaṃ gacchāmi, dhammañca bhikkhusaṅghañca.
Venerable Sir, I go for refuge to the Blessed One, to the Dhamma, and to the Bhikkhu Saṅgha.
labheyyāhaṃ, bhante, bhagavato santike pabbajjaṃ, labheyyaṃ upasampada’’nti.
Venerable Sir, may I obtain the going forth (pabbajja) in the presence of the Blessed One, may I obtain the higher ordination (upasampadā).”
405. ‘‘yo kho, kassapa, aññatitthiyapubbo imasmiṃ dhammavinaye ākaṅkhati pabbajjaṃ, ākaṅkhati upasampadaṃ, so cattāro māse parivasati, catunnaṃ māsānaṃ accayena āraddhacittā bhikkhū pabbājenti, upasampādenti bhikkhubhāvāya.
405. “Kassapa, whoever, having formerly belonged to another sect, desires the going forth (pabbajja) in this Dhamma and Vinaya, desires the higher ordination (upasampadā), dwells on probation for four months. After the lapse of four months, if their minds are well-disposed, the bhikkhus give them the going forth and the higher ordination for the state of a bhikkhu.
api ca mettha puggalavemattatā viditā’’ti.
However, the distinction among individuals is known to me here.”
‘‘sace, bhante, aññatitthiyapubbā imasmiṃ dhammavinaye ākaṅkhanti pabbajjaṃ, ākaṅkhanti upasampadaṃ, cattāro māse parivasanti, catunnaṃ māsānaṃ accayena āraddhacittā bhikkhū pabbājenti, upasampādenti bhikkhubhāvāya.
“Kassapa, if those who formerly belonged to another sect, desiring the going forth in this Dhamma and Vinaya, desiring the higher ordination, dwell on probation for four months, and after the lapse of four months, bhikkhus with well-disposed minds give them the going forth and the higher ordination for the state of a bhikkhu,
ahaṃ cattāri vassāni parivasissāmi, catunnaṃ vassānaṃ accayena āraddhacittā bhikkhū pabbājentu, upasampādentu bhikkhubhāvāyā’’ti.
then I will dwell on probation for four years. After the lapse of four years, may bhikkhus with well-disposed minds give me the going forth and the higher ordination for the state of a bhikkhu.”

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mistake…

Ledi Sayadaw, The Manual of Light (Alin-Kyan), Chapter One, “The Stark Ignorance of Kamma (Kamma-sammoha) and the First Light (Kammassakata-nana).”

The Stark Ignorance of Kamma (Kamma-sammoha) and the First Light (Kammassakata-nana)

Knowledge in seeing that all beings have Kamma only as their own property.

I shall now set forth the first pair - Kamma-sammoha and Kammassakata-nana. Of these kamma-sammoha means:-

Not understanding kamma, and
Not understanding the resultant of kamma.

Not understanding kamma.

Not understanding the fact that all beings have kamma only as their own property; that they must inherit their own kamma: that kamma alone is their origin; that kamma alone is their real relative; and that kamma alone is their real refuge.

Not understanding which of their actions - bodily, verbal, or mental - are unwholesome in the sense that they are kammically unprofitable (a-kusalo).[1]

Not understanding the fact that unwholesome actions bring unwholesome resultants in their future births, and would cast them down into the Four Lower Worlds of unfortunate existences (apaya).

Not understanding which of their actions - bodily, verbal, or mental - are wholesome i.e., kammically profitable (kusalo).[2]

Not understanding the fact that wholesome actions bring wholesome resultants in their future births, and would send them to the fortunate existences of the human world and the world of devas. Not understanding the nature and characteristics of kamma in the above stated manner therefore amounts to ‘not understanding kamma’.

Not understanding the resultant of kamma:

Not understanding the fact that lives of beings do not end at their biological death, but that they would arise in another existence where their kamma casts them, sends them, drags them. assigns them, or places them.

Not understanding the fact that there exist an infinite number of sentient beings - though not visible to the ordinary human eye - in the tortuous worlds of niraya, hungry spirits (petas), fallen spirits (asurakdvas), and animals (some species common to human knowledge.)[3]

Not understanding the fact that if they commit unwholesome acts they are liable to be born in those four lower worlds (apaya), after their death.

Not understanding the fact that there exist infinite numbers and types of human beings, visible to the ordinary human eye, as well as an infinite number of spirits and devas, good or bad, together with those inhabiting the six deva lokas (worlds) and higher up, the Brahma Lokas of the Fine-Material Realms (rupa brahmas) and Non-Material Realms (arupa brahmas).

Not understanding the fact that through acquisition of merit such as giving (dana), virtue or morality (sila) and developing concentration (bhavana) beings are bound to be born in those fortunate planes of the human world and the celestial realms of devas and brahmas.

Not understanding the fact that there exists the round of births (samsara), that is beginningless and endless.

Not understanding the fact that all beings are subjected to good or bad destinies through their own acts, good or bad as the case may be, and that beings are born from existence to existence, incessantly, according as their own kamma dictates.[4]

Failure in understanding all those things is called Stark Ignorance of Kamma or kamma-sammoha.

(Here ends a brief exposition of the First Stark Ignorance.)

(B) 1: Kammassakata-nana.- (The First Light):-

Kammassakata-nana means:-

Understanding kamma, and
Understanding the resultant of kamma.

Understanding ‘kamma’ and its resultant:

Understanding the fact that all beings have kamma only as their own property; that they must inherit their own kamma; that kamma alone is their real relative; and that kamma alone is their real refuge.

Understanding which of their actions - bodily, verbal, mental - are unwholesome or kammically unprofitable, that they would bring unwholesome resultants in their future births, and would cast them down into the Four Lower Worlds.

Understanding that such and such actions of theirs are wholesome or kammically profitable; that they would bring wholesome resultants in their future births, and would send them to the fortunate existences of the human world and the worlds of devas.

To understand all those things is called Kammassakata-nana

(Here ends a brief exposition of Kammassakata-nana.)

Dreadful indeed is the Stark Ignorance of kamma. All sorts of wrong views (miccha-ditthi) stem from it. Kammassakata-nana, (on the other hand), is the refuge for the wayfarers of samsara, the beginningless round of births. It is only under the guidance of this Light that beings do meritorious things such as giving, observe morality, or develop mental concentration and attain successful existences as men or devas or Brahmas. And it is this Light that enables one to practise wholesome deeds to perfection (parami kusalo) that are the prerequisites for enlightenment of all classes such as the Perfect Self-Enlightenment of a Buddha. or the solitary Self-Enlightenment of a Pacceka-buddha, or the arahatship as Noble Disciples (savaka bodhi).

The Light of Kammassakata-nana exists in those men and devas in the innumerable universes or world systems, who have Right View or Samma ditthi. In our universe too, even during the ‘empty’ kappas, i.e., where the world goes without the benefit of any Buddha, this Light exists. By Right View (samma ditthi), of course, we mean this Light of Kammassakata-nana.

At the present time this Light prevails among the Buddhists and Hindus in the world. Among people of other creeds, and among animals, this Light does not exist. Few among the inhabitants of the tortuous realms of niraya, the fallen spirits (asurakaya world) and the hungry spirits (peta world) have the benefit of this Light. Those beings who do not possess such Light dwell in the darkness of kamma-sammoha. As they are enveloped in Stark Ignorance, the path leading to successful existences in their round of births is lost to them. And being incapable of lifting themselves up to the fortunate planes of human, deva or Brahma existences, they are destined to go down to the Lower Worlds, whose portals are ever wide open. For these people, thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of existences may pass without their ever getting the slightest benefit of this beneficient Light.

Only in the case of a confirmed Buddha-to-be, i.e., a bodhisatta who has obtained the word of assurance from a living Buddha about his future Buddhahood in specific terms, has the shroud of ignorance been lifted already so that even when born an animal, he is yet endowed with this Light. Considering the fact that this Light belongs to the holders of Right View even during the world-cycles (systems) or kappas devoid of any Buddha. and in those universes that lack the benefit of a Buddha’s arising; and also considering the fact that Buddhas do not arise in the world only to expound this Light but to expound the Light of Knowledge that penetrates the Four Noble Truths (catu sacca pativedha-nana); the Light of Kammassakata-nana cannot be called the Light of the Buddha’s Teaching - in spite of its occurrence in many a Buddhist text. For it is merely a worldly Light, the Light that does not shed its rays beyond samsara. People who have the benefit of the Buddha’s Teaching, therefore, if they are wise enough, will not remain satisfied with the mere Light of Kammassakata-nana - which is not really meant by the Buddha - but will rouse themselves up to acquire the true light of the Buddha’s Teaching. For this indeed is the wise course.

(Here ends the exposition of the first pair - Stark Ignorance of Kamma and the First Light.)

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I will add here that without the understanding of kamma and result there is no possibility of higher understanding. Anatta and dependent origination are tied up with conditionality, and thus hinge on getting this level right.

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Like not having the view that rūpa are molecules, etc.?

What about views on which nibbāna is highest?

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