How consciousness arises in the body and what can we really know?

As a proponent of 4 element meditation and 32 parts meditation and having studied biology it becomes clear that our consciousness of our body is derived from our nervous system. Also seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting and for the moment lets leave out our mind.

Now as our mind experiences the sensation of sitting it cannot know what is going on inside the body really. Our heart beats and our breathing takes place. All this is a process of chemistry complex chemistry. But its purpose is to sustain cellular respiration. Getting oxygen to cells so that they can convert glucose to ATP and then run a cell. Look it up it is amazing. Then this produces Co2 and water and this whole process runs your whole life and you get hungry to feed it…

So cellular respiration and others things and processes are running your body from birth to aging to death. Meanwhile your mind is blissfully ignorant of what is really going on.

Our consciousness is only involved at a higher level in nerves and nueral networks and this forms data that our perception is able to create a sense of what we think is the real world. Our visual field is really not out there it is really inside our mind. What an amazing illusion and completely understandable that each of us has a sense of self even though when we examine each part and process we dont find a self or anything permanent.

In contemplating that each of these things is impermanent, dukkha, not mine, not me, not self it brings great detachment and bliss from realizing that in the seen is only the seen etc.

Anway whilst doing some investigation of biology and science on this subject I found this very interesting model of consciousness that I think is worth sharing. It gives a good understanding of how our body’s and mind’s work and food for thought and discussion.

The Dynamic Role of Breathing and Cellular Membrane Potentials in the Experience of Consciousness

Abstract

Understanding the mechanics of consciousness remains one of the most important challenges in modern cognitive science. One key step toward understanding consciousness is to associate unconscious physiological processes with subjective experiences of sensory, motor, and emotional contents. This article explores the role of various cellular membrane potential differences and how they give rise to the dynamic infrastructure of conscious experience. This article explains that consciousness is a body-wide, biological process not limited to individual organs because the mind and body are unified as one entity; therefore, no single location of consciousness can be pinpointed. Consciousness exists throughout the entire body, and unified consciousness is experienced and maintained through dynamic repolarization during inhalation and expiration. Extant knowledge is reviewed to provide insight into how differences in cellular membrane potential play a vital role in the triggering of neural and non-neural oscillations. The role of dynamic cellular membrane potentials in the activity of the central nervous system, peripheral nervous system, cardiorespiratory system, and various other tissues (such as muscles and sensory organs) in the physiology of consciousness is also explored. Inspiration and expiration are accompanied by oscillating membrane potentials throughout all cells and play a vital role in subconscious human perception of feelings and states of mind. In addition, the role of the brainstem, hypothalamus, and complete nervous system (central, peripheral, and autonomic) within the mind-body space combine to allow consciousness to emerge and to come alive. This concept departs from the notion that the brain is the only organ that gives rise to consciousness.

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The article is a little long for me to read. However, the classical theravada point of view is that consciousness takes place “mostly” in the heart. However, consciousness also takes place in the sense organs for each respective sense base for a single moment. Afterwards, the rest takes place in the Mind Door (or heart). One of those respective sense bases is kāyaviññāṇaṃ for touch sensation. That would mean that consciousness does indeed take place throughout the body.

While abhidhamma does not map one to one with modern science, we could say it does potentially match in this case. The rūpa does not match with modern science but it just might not align with the technology we have today.

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So just because it is a long read maybe I need to break it down for people who dont understand the chemical nature of the body. Which is greatly advanced over the 40 years since I first studied biology and well worth understanding and definitely not in the pali canon. They are two separate and distinct types of knowlege running at different levels. One is machine level code and one is a higher operating system above and dependent on machine code. Everyone should find out about Mitochondria and cellular respiration because it is so important to our physical and mental health. Exhibit that should inspire people to look for knowlege beyond dogma is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QImCld9YubE

Another video that will make you think about what is consciousness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6u0VBqNBQ8

Here is one to make you think more… Very interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyu7v7nWzfo

I had a conversation with some friends who were impressed by scientific explanations over 20 years ago:

> David Hume, for one, wrote about
this [anatta] at length. It is not a slight on the Buddha to suggest that others
come to similar realizations as him, independently’’

Robert: As you say Hume did reach conclusions that bear some (superficial)
resemblance to the teaching of anatta. “for my part, when I enter
most intimately into what I call myself, I always stumble on some
particular perception or other…I never can catch myself without a
perception, and never can observe anything but the perception”
(Hume).

However, anatta in Dhamma is tied in with conditionality, absolutely
and intimately. Because of conditions such as kamma there must be
results and then other conditions coming together to assist the
kamma to give results. So , in a continuous stream there is the
round of vipaka, kamma and kilesa - all showing anatta and
conditionality. Thus anatta is not merely a simple negation of self -
it is deep and reveals the very workings of what life is. It
shatters illusion but it doesn’t in any way lead to ethical nihilism
because while there are still conditions there must be rebirth and
the fruition of results.I would say kamma and rebirth are
unavoidable aspects of anatta.
And the incredible thing is someone (the Buddha) could comprehend
the various conditioned and conditioning factors with detail and
precision. Far, far above any ideas Hume ever had.

"Perhaps you have ever read
about the ‘Mind and Life’ conferences in which the Dailai Lama
invites the best natural scientist in the world to discuss with him
the relation between science and buddhism.“”

Robert: Yes I have - he meets with a few scientists who have an interest in
Buddhism and they discuss consciousness and mind. I think these are
great for those scientists but it would be very much a one-way
street as I doubt science has much to offer Buddhism with regard to
insight into mind.
Philosopher of mind Collin McGinn writes in his summary of the
different ideas: “The head spins in theoretical disarray; no
explanatory model suggests itself; bizarre ontologies loom. There is
a feeling of intense confusion, but no clear idea of where the
confusion lies” (1993,).
My favourite quote is the definition of consciousness in the
International Dictionary of Psychology: “Consciousness is a
fascinating but elusive phenomenon; it is impossible to specify what
it is, what it does, or why it evolved. Nothing worth reading has
been written about it” (cited in Crick, 1994, vii)

The above is about the unenlightened.

Consciousness of cellular biology is not related to enlightenment.

The Buddha explained the relevant aspects of consciousness related to enlightenment.

The Buddha taught about 6 element meditation, of which the 6th element is consciousness.

Yes the connection to Kamma is the great key.

Consciousness of cellular biology is related to the removal of dogma amongst Buddhist who cant see the difference between facts and fictions.

With regards to 6 Elements or 4 Elements I was talking about kayagata sati as it pertains to examination of the body. Which is related to cellular respiration.