Claims of jhana attainment

I often see people claiming jhana - it is a bit of an epidemic these days.
Here is an example today from dhammwheel.

I just wanted to share this post I made on my social media, it was more of an exhortation to myself since I’ve been living a not-so jhāna friendly lifestyle as of late. However, I have experienced relief-born joy and the suppression of hindrances. May it be an encouragement to even one person:

The attainment of jhāna is the attainment of a temporary suppression of craving in the present. This provides a sense of relief, which can be so strong as to be felt in the body.

It does not necessitate that you see lights or colors, hear sounds, etc. It’s not a trance state, nor do you become any less lucid. If anything, you gain heightened clarity of mind

You’re also not shut off from sense experience entirely (unlike what commentaries may say)

You DO come to disregard sense experience as being valuable, and this attainment reinforces said change in values. To FEEL what it is like to be free of desire and hindrances, even momentarily, rewires the heart in favor of further freedom

This is an attainment that IS accessible to people who practice a sufficient measure of restraining and a bit of physical seclusion.
You do NOT need any ‘trick’ or ‘method’ that modern teachers are peddling. You just have to watch and guard the mind from the effects of craving.

It’s unfortunate that this practice has been overcomplicated over centuries, leading to the belief that it is something completely out of reach or superhuman.

It’s something the Buddha recommended even to laypeople, who were also providing for the monastic sangha and making merits.

The Buddha’s encouragement to practice diligently applies even to lay people, and should in no way be seen as over our heads or too intimidating to effect.

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My point is to demystify the attainment of jhāna, which tho quite pleasant and beneficial, is very mundane.

Actually jhana is uttarimanussadhammassa,a super-human state.
Any monk claiming it falsely is immediately parajika.
https://suttacentral.net/pli-tv-bu-vb-p … ript=latin
If a bhikkhu has managed to attain this very difficult to attain state and tells laypeople it is still an offense (although not parajika).

You’re also not shut off from sense experience entirely (unlike what commentaries may say)

This is also said in the Tipitaka:
Katthavatthu PTS translation by Aung and Davids pages 331-332.
XV1118 Of Hearing in Jhana

The Pubbaseilyans thought that there could still be hearing in jhana and this was refuted by the Theravada.

The experiences I’ve had seem to map well to the samadhanga sutta, specifically jhānas 1 and 2.

Even a bhikkhu who has attained genuine first jhana but hasn’t mastered it - soo hard to do - but then aims for second jhana will not be able to attain it. In fact he will also loose the first jhana. These are no mean states.
https://suttacentral.net/an9.35/en/than … ight=false

In the same way, there are cases where a monk—foolish, inexperienced, unfamiliar with his pasture, unskilled in being quite withdrawn from sensuality, withdrawn from unskillful qualities, and entering & remaining in the first jhana: rapture & pleasure born from withdrawal, accompanied by directed thought & evaluation—doesn’t stick with that theme, doesn’t develop it, pursue it, or establish himself firmly in it. The thought occurs to him, ‘What if I, with the stilling of directed thoughts & evaluations, were to enter & remain in the second jhana: rapture & pleasure born of composure, unification of awareness free from directed thought & evaluation—internal assurance.’ He is not able… to enter & remain in the second jhana… The thought occurs to him, ‘What if I… were to enter & remain in the first jhana… He is not able… to enter & remain in the first jhana. This is called a monk who has slipped & fallen from both sides, like the mountain cow, foolish, inexperienced, unfamiliar with her pasture, unskilled in roaming on rugged mountains.

It is also worth adding a point about the nature of concentration, samadhi.
I competed a few times in target pistol events. To succeed the degree of calm is much more than usual - the heartbeat slows, the body is so still, the breath slows. However, it is of course entirely akusala (miccha samadhi, wrong concentration)- very obviously.

Wrong concentration may also be present, but not obvious, when we are doing something conventionally spiritual.

From the first book of the Abhidhanmma. DHAMMASANGANI 375; 5. Katamā tasmiṃ samaye cittassekaggatā hoti? Yā tasmiṃ samaye cittassa ṭhiti saṇṭhiti avaṭṭhiti avisāhāro avikkhepo avisāhaṭamānasatā samatho samādhindriyaṃ samādhibalaṃ micchāsamādhi – ayaṃ tasmiṃ samaye cittassekaggatā hoti.

  1. What is the one-pointedness of mind at that time? Whatever at that time is the mind’s steadiness, settling, fixity, non-wandering, non-scattering, undistractedness, serenity, the faculty of concentration, the power of concentration, wrong concentration—this is the one-pointedness of mind at that time

These same factors of serenity etc are also present in right concentration, only the factor of wisdom can distinguish them.

If you ask, he is against the commentaries. He is likely a Nyanaviran.

It is all the same classical pattern. “Don’t listen to the Commentaries or Abhidhamma, listen to me instead.” They also feel that Theravada has destroyed the Buddha’s teachings and it was rewritten to make things complicated. In a previous post where one asked why there is a movement against the commentaries, it is very simple. They want to attain so badly, they will rewrite the requirements.

The funny thing is that everyone has vitakka vicara piti sukha ekaggata all the time, but it is not jhana.

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Machiavelli points out:

“They who lay the foundations of a State and furnish it with laws must, as is shown by all who have treated of civil government, and by examples of which history is full, assume that ‘all men are bad, and will always, when they have free field, give loose to their evil inclinations; and that if these for a while remain hidden, it is owing to some secret cause, which, from our having no contrary experience, we do not recognize at once, but which is afterwards revealed by Time, of whom we speak as the father of all truth.”

Machiavelli, Niccolò. Discourses (p. 11). Open Road Media. Kindle Edition.

This is why it took Buddhist rulers in the past to suppress such views among teachers. The problem is that, nowadays, the Buddhist countries don’t have such rulers, and are too interconnected with each other and with non-Buddhist countries, which is why we live in a kind of Buddhist chaos world which is quickly deteriorating.

It goes back to Western civilization (of course, these kinds of things can happen without the help of Western civilization, but with it, they are given rocket fuel).

Of course, given the chance, the “intellectuals” will always take up these views and make it their life’s mission to propagate them, as we see so many do. And the rest of us (which include all the regular people of average intelligence as well as the rare ones of very high intelligence - far higher than that of the intellectuals) will always be subject to their campaigns. That is why the Commentators had to be so exactingly thorough and specific, and why the Theravāda only accepted their official Commentaries, and so on.

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Overestimation is a big thing and is to be expected in the very self-confident culture of the West. I dont remember who it was but i remember a prominent secular meditation teacher claiming that “enlightenment” is reaching the state of being mindful even without actively meditating.

Pretty much anyone with a regular meditation practice or has been on a sufficiently intensive meditation retreat can achieve this but it may be hard to explain to a newbie meditator, but he says its real because he experienced it. But for some strange reason it never occurred to him that just because he never experienced it that its not possible to achieve abhinna powers or attain actual enlightenment thru meditation.

Nowadays when people have a profound meditation experience they never experienced before - they suddenly think they have attained jhana/enlightenment. :sweat_smile:

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Everyone is on a different level.

Most people talk nonsense and other fools believe it, which is I guess to be expected, however what I really don’t understand is when people “teach” or make claims about something they themselves haven’t attained.

It is as if they don’t really believe in kamma.

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..according to our understanding, it is rather difficult to practise samatha successfully. Moreover, it may take some time if you are required to attain the jhanas. The object must be suitable and you also must have the potential. [..]

In certain meditations, like the kasinas and also the breathing meditation, anapana, where the object before absorption is very clear and bright, the object in which you are absorbed in is also very clear. As in the example of the water kasina and the access concentration of water kasina before the first absorption, it may be a completely clear pool of water which is very still. When you are entering into the absorption, it is like sinking into the wateras if you are diving and finally in the water. When in the water you don’t know anything. But once out of the water you know how the mind was, how you were while under water, so to speak. This is a very clear and blissful experience, but you know how clear and blissful only when you come out of it.

For these types of absorption there are four rupa jhanas, that means there are four levels and each is different in character. In the suttas it is very clearly said that they differ in terms of jhana factors, called jhanangas. These are cetasikas, certain states of mind that are present and which play an important part in the respective jhana, absorption. For example in the first jhana the factors involved are: vitakka, vicara, piti, sukha, ekaggata. Vitakka is ‘initial application’. Initial application is the force of the mind which brings it to the object. This is a mental force. Vicara, sustained application, is the force of the mind that is keeping it on the object, and is again a mental force, something like an energy. Piti is joy or interest. Sukha is a very happy feeling. And ekaggata is one-pointedness, that means when the mind is as if one with the object. These mental factors which are present in the first jhana play an important part.

But it does not mean that when you have these five factors you have the first jhana. Even if you don’t have any concentration these five mental factors are already there. When you think of food, when you miss very much your food, or your ‘Penang Laksa’ there are also these five factors present , because the mind keeps running to the Laksa, it stays on it thinking ‘how nice if I have Laksa’, and then after that when you think of the Laksa you have joy ‘when I had Laksa it was so nice, I was enjoying myself’ and you feel very happy also and the mind is actually as if you could taste the Laksa, then these five factors are there but it is more like wrong concentration, greed.

You must know what the five jhana factors are to understand the jhanas. You must know at least something about Abhidhamma before you can have a clearer idea. These five factors actually describe a type of consciousness, a type of mind. When you know what factors are present you know what jhana you are in. For example, in the first jhana you have all the five factors involved. In the second jhana, you don’t have the initial and sustained application, you have only joy, happiness and one-pointedness. In the third jhana, you have only happiness and one-pointedness. In the fourth jhana, you have only equanimity and one-pointedness. From the description I’ve given on the absorptions you definitely cannot know it while you are in the jhana. While you are in these absorptions it is like you are in deep sleep, you are in a state deeper than deep sleepso how can you know while in it? You know it only before you go in, because before you enter it will be clear which factors are stronger and which are weaker and have to disappear, or after emerging, through making of proper resolutions to reflect on the factors present. We will not go into this because it is not part of our topic.

What I want is to give you a good idea of what access concentration and what actually fixed concentration is in what we call pure samatha jhana, when we talk about first, second, third and fourth jhana as samatha jhana. According to our experience it is important to have a certain degree of understanding. It is because of a lack of this type of understanding that wrong views arise. You find that in the Brahmajala Sutta, the discourse on wrong views, a large extent of wrong views do not come through thinking or philosophies, they come from meditative experiences. Because people hold on to their meditative experiences as something which is true and good but which in reality is very false, it gives rise to many types of wrong views. For example, one of them is dittha dhamma nibbana dittha dhamma vada. Nibbana you understand, dittha dhamma is a present state, vada is a view. This is the view regarding the present state as nibbana. For example if a person gets attached to the jhana as nibbana then he goes into wrong views. Of course there is nobody who can argue with him because he thinks “I have experienced it and you not”. At certain times entering into jhana is as if going into a void, the object becomes so subtle that it is very easy to fall into false views if one does not have a proper teacher. Even before going to the blissful absorptions one can experience many subtle states which can be misunderstood.

Therefore tonight’s talk is to give you an idea so that you do not get attached to these experiences. If you cannot differentiate between upacara samadhi and appana samadhi, access concentration and fixed concentration, it’s even easier for you to make a mistake between what is nibbana and what is not nibbana because nibbana is something more subtle and deeper than jhana. For example, when people are practising meditation and everybody starts saying, “I’ve got first jhana, second jhana, third jhana, fourth jhana, this magga-phala, that magga-phala”, we don’t say that they are wrong because we don’t really know what their experiences are, but the fact that they are saying all these things so easily and so happily makes it obvious that there are attachments. And you can see sometimes when they say it, they are very proud of it. If they are actually attached to wrong views it is even worse. We hope that this will not happen among the Buddhists here.

If a person has really gone through all these practices he will know that it is not easy to know whether somebody has this jhana or that jhana, this magga-phala or that magga-phala. One would be very reserved in making such statements. Therefore, if somebody says all these things too freely, we don’t say directly that he is wrong, we say, be very careful with him, you may go into wrong views.

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