Can there be citta, cetasika, rupa without nibbana?
I think so because nibbana is seperate from citta, cetasika and rupa?
Right, samsara and nibbana are utterly different as you say.
The bodhisatta reflected that there must be an escape from the round of birth and death so was able to know that there must be nibbana - and so strive to attain.
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This would mean that the flow of citta or a separate dhamma of citta could never be interrupted and cease. Since they would have no cessation, there would be no arising and manifestation of a new dhamma. In such a frozen world there is no movement, and therefore there is no citta, no rupa, no cetasikas. But could there be nibbana? Also no, because according to the conditions of the problem, we do not have nibbana. We have invented an impossible world.
We can also try to invent a world in which there is momentary cessation, but which necessarily gives rise to its dhamma twin. Rupa gives rise to rupa, citta gives rise to citta. This world is also monotonous and it is unclear why, given the presence of variability, this variability does not concern the causes of the flow of phenomena and the property of phenomena to give rise to a similar quality. We again have an impossible world in which there is impermanence, but which does not concern the producing potentiality, and this potentiality is constant and unceasing.
The dhamma is like the laws of physics.
They exist, they are discovered and they always were present even when they were not discovered.
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