# Pleasing & Displeasing Forms and the Arahant **URL:** \ **Category:** Abhidhamma\ **Created:** [May 10, 2025, 8:08pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/pleasing-displeasing-forms-and-the-arahant/1836 "2025-05-10T20:08:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ceisiwr](https://classicaltheravada.org/user_avatar/classicaltheravada.org/ceisiwr/32/1260_2.png) [@Ceisiwr](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/Ceisiwr)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2025, 8:08pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/pleasing-displeasing-forms-and-the-arahant/1836/1 "2025-05-10T20:08:06Z")
I’m trying to understand from an Abhihdamma point of view how an Arahant can still experience things as pleasing and displeasing. An Arahant no longer craves this or that, but they still experience pleasant contact by way of the 6 doors. For the body its either a pleasant, neutral or painful feeling. If we take sight for a moment, the initial contact is neutral and its only at the mind base that it becomes somanassa or domanassa. Is that somanassa and domanassa the result of previous kamma? ---
**Author:** ![RobertK](https://classicaltheravada.org/user_avatar/classicaltheravada.org/robertk/32/1498_2.png) [@RobertK](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/RobertK)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2025, 3:06am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/pleasing-displeasing-forms-and-the-arahant/1836/2 "2025-05-11T03:06:09Z")
This thread has some useful information. [Sivaka sutta (SN 36:21) and Vipaka ( regarding anittha, ittha)](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/sivaka-sutta-sn-36-21-and-vipaka-regarding-anittha-ittha/195) Do you know about the 4 jati and how they differ? It is very important to understand these distinctions - they are occurring now. ---
**Author:** ![bksubhuti](https://classicaltheravada.org/user_avatar/classicaltheravada.org/bksubhuti/32/19_2.png) [@bksubhuti](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/bksubhuti)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2025, 6:56am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/pleasing-displeasing-forms-and-the-arahant/1836/3 "2025-05-11T06:56:25Z")
All cittas in processes that are kamma producing in normal beings are no longer producing kamma. They are functional or kiriya cittas. ---
**Author:** ![Ceisiwr](https://classicaltheravada.org/user_avatar/classicaltheravada.org/ceisiwr/32/1260_2.png) [@Ceisiwr](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/Ceisiwr)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2025, 1:12pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/pleasing-displeasing-forms-and-the-arahant/1836/4 "2025-05-11T13:12:16Z")
> [@RobertK](#): > > Do you know about the 4 jati and how they differ? It is very important to understand these distinctions - they are occurring now. No I don’t? ---
**Author:** ![Ceisiwr](https://classicaltheravada.org/user_avatar/classicaltheravada.org/ceisiwr/32/1260_2.png) [@Ceisiwr](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/Ceisiwr)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2025, 1:12pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/pleasing-displeasing-forms-and-the-arahant/1836/5 "2025-05-11T13:12:42Z")
> [@bksubhuti](#): > > All cittas in processes that are kamma producing in normal beings are no longer producing kamma. They are functional or kiriya cittas. What about resultant kamma? ---
**Author:** ![bksubhuti](https://classicaltheravada.org/user_avatar/classicaltheravada.org/bksubhuti/32/19_2.png) [@bksubhuti](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/bksubhuti)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2025, 1:36pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/pleasing-displeasing-forms-and-the-arahant/1836/6 "2025-05-11T13:36:49Z")
I’m a bit rusty since leaving IIT. I think the arahant can still experience **somanassa** , because **santīraṇa** citta is a **vipākacitta** , and arahants still experience vipāka. For example, in the body-door process when a pleasant **phoṭṭhabba** (tangible object) is contacted, the **kāyaviññāṇa** arises with **sukha vedanā** , later followed by **santīraṇa** with **somanassa**. In an unpleasant bodily contact, **kāyaviññāṇa** arises with **dukkha vedanā** (bodily pain), and is later followed by **santīraṇa** citta accompanied by **upekkhā vedanā** (neutral feeling). So the painful feeling is in **kāyaviññāṇa** , while **santīraṇa** remains neutral. However, If I remember correctly, it was said that arahants do **not experience tadārammaṇa** (registration consciousness), because their **javana** is **kiriya** (functional, not kamma-producing), and lacks the intensity needed to prompt registration. ---
**Author:** ![Ceisiwr](https://classicaltheravada.org/user_avatar/classicaltheravada.org/ceisiwr/32/1260_2.png) [@Ceisiwr](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/Ceisiwr)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2025, 2:37pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/pleasing-displeasing-forms-and-the-arahant/1836/7 "2025-05-11T14:37:30Z")
> [@bksubhuti](#): > > tadārammaṇa Thanks Bhante, that is what I was looking for.