Nibbana (Nirodha) from the viewpoint of Arūpa Jhāna

It is also interesting that the famous quote in Udana also reference the arupa jhanas.

There is that dimension, monks, where there is neither earth, nor water, nor fire, nor wind; neither dimension of the infinitude of space, nor dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, nor dimension of nothingness, nor dimension of neither perception nor non-perception; neither this world, nor the next world, nor sun, nor moon. And there, I say, there is neither coming, nor going, nor staying; neither passing away nor arising: unestablished. This, just this, is the end of stress.

Yes, but only to show it is not any of those :slight_smile:

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I think people confuse the “taking of Nibbāna as object” for meditation
and Parinibbāna. The description above, free from “mind and matter” can be taken as an object of meditation for fruition consciousness. Parinibbāna is when everything ends with nothing to arise again without remainder.