# Is mundane jhana needed to attain nibbana?

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**Created:** [November 10, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/is-mundane-jhana-needed-to-attain-nibbana/1539 "2024-11-10T22:29:10Z")\
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**Post date:** [June 27, 2025, 2:13pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/is-mundane-jhana-needed-to-attain-nibbana/1539/22 "2025-06-27T14:13:36Z")

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I’m still struggling with the concept of a sukkhavipassaka arahant. One of my first posts on this forum was actually about this topic:

> [@Is mundane jhana needed to attain nibbana?](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/is-mundane-jhana-needed-to-attain-nibbana/1539):
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> Wouldn’t it be possible for the dry-insighter to reach the jhanas just moments before becoming enlightened? This wouldn’t cause any controversy. One still needs jhana to become an arahant, but the dry-insighter has great difficulty with that. However, at the moment they enter jhana, they quickly progress to the state of arahant.

What do the Commentaries say about jhāna attainment during the decline of the Sāsana? Does the number of non-noble jhāna attainers also decline? Is there such a thing as a sukkhavipassaka anāgāmi?

Do non-noble people find it easier to attain jhāna? Or is it just that noble ones never attain micchā samādhi (wrong concentration)?

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