# Accumulations **URL:** \ **Category:** General Theravada topics\ **Created:** [April 18, 2025, 10:14am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/accumulations/1797 "2025-04-18T10:14:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 5
**Author:** ![RobertK](https://classicaltheravada.org/user_avatar/classicaltheravada.org/robertk/32/1498_2.png) [@RobertK](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/RobertK)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 4:04am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/accumulations/1797/5 "2025-04-21T04:04:06Z")
> [@Brunobm](#): > > What I find particularly interesting about this text is that even non-enlightened individuals can prove to be good disciples of the Buddhas, sometimes even effective teachers of the Dhamma. > [@Gamantapabbharavasi mahasivatthera : the worldling whose students were enlightened](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/gamantapabbharavasi-mahasivatthera-the-worldling-whose-students-were-enlightened/716): > > I stopped wondering years ago about who is enlightened because I think it is always motivated by tanha. What we can know about a teacher - beyond speculation- is whether they point to the present moment in a way that helps us to begin to insight such moments. The rest is wishful thinking. The Anguttara nikaya commentary tells the story of one teacher, after the Buddha’s time, who had many pupils all of whom attained arahatship. . But he was still a wordling - not even a sotapanna. However, he … For the putthajjana it is hard to gauge who is explaining correctly, let alone who has attained. Even the teacher may overestimate their understanding. --- _[View the full topic](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/accumulations/1797)._