# Authenticity of Texts **URL:** https://classicaltheravada.org/c/authenticity-of-texts/6.md [Latest](https://classicaltheravada.org/latest.md) · [Categories](https://classicaltheravada.org/categories.md) · [Tags](https://classicaltheravada.org/tags.md) --- ## [About the Authenticity of Texts category](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/about-the-authenticity-of-texts-category/14)
**Author:** [@RobertK](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/RobertK)\ **Replies:** 0
Topics which politely discusses the authenticity of the texts usually in favor of supporting Classical Theravada. --- ## [Colophons of Visuddhimagga - Not By Buddhaghosa Thera](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/colophons-of-visuddhimagga-not-by-buddhaghosa-thera/97)
**Author:** [@ekocare](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/ekocare)\ **Replies:** 5\ **Last updated:** [September 30, 2026, 9:48am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/colophons-of-visuddhimagga-not-by-buddhaghosa-thera/97 "2026-09-30T09:48:19Z")
Details Supporting Visuddhimagga: Re: Commentary Review - How did the inconsistencies in the commentaries come about? Post by Eko Care » Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:26 am Colophons of Visuddhimagga Modern critics who attempt … --- ## [The Buddhist Councils](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/the-buddhist-councils/81)
**Author:** [@RobertK](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/RobertK)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [September 27, 2026, 6:56am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/the-buddhist-councils/81 "2026-09-27T06:56:42Z")
Venerable Dr. Rewata Dhamma ——————————————————————————– The authentic teachings of the Buddha Gotama have been preserved and handed down to us and are to be found in the Tipitaka. The Pali word, ‘Tipitaka’, literally m… --- ## [Mahayana contradicts Verse 42](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/mahayana-contradicts-verse-42/2628)
**Author:** [@Dhamma001](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/Dhamma001)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [September 19, 2026, 6:11am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/mahayana-contradicts-verse-42/2628 "2026-09-19T06:11:54Z")
Verse 421: Him I call a brahmana, who does not cling to the past, future and present khandha aggregates and who is free from moral defilements and attachment. Verse 421 contradict Sarvastivada. Sarvastivada claims al… --- ## [Oral preservation of the Tipitaka](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/oral-preservation-of-the-tipitaka/2569)
**Author:** [@orthodox](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/orthodox)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [September 14, 2026, 1:46am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/oral-preservation-of-the-tipitaka/2569 "2026-09-14T01:46:21Z")
Some people, especially Christians and Muslims could make the argument that the Tipitaka is corrupt because of a larger gap from the Buddha’s parinibbana to the writing down of the Tipitaka. And they do make this argumen… --- ## [Is Criticizing Abhidhamma, Or Realness of Suttas Against Vinaya?](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/is-criticizing-abhidhamma-or-realness-of-suttas-against-vinaya/2607)
**Author:** [@bksubhuti](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/bksubhuti)\ **Replies:** 20\ **Last updated:** [September 11, 2026, 5:12am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/is-criticizing-abhidhamma-or-realness-of-suttas-against-vinaya/2607 "2026-09-11T05:12:37Z")
The EBT’rs often deny anything outside the four Nikāyas as real (and not everything from that, either). If that blanket rule is followed, then they are even refuting the dhammapada! In any case, they are criticizing the… --- ## [Abhidhamma - word of Buddha?](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/abhidhamma-word-of-buddha/77)
**Author:** [@RobertK](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/RobertK)\ **Replies:** 27\ **Last updated:** [September 8, 2026, 4:33am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/abhidhamma-word-of-buddha/77 "2026-09-08T04:33:35Z")
Dear group, I had a discussion with a few people recently who have doubts about the veracity of the ancient commentaries and even the Abhidhamma. The only way to develop proper confidence is to learn to see paramattha d… --- ## [Thai Forest Myth That 2 Meals Before Solar Noon Is Against Vinaya](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/thai-forest-myth-that-2-meals-before-solar-noon-is-against-vinaya/2565)
**Author:** [@bksubhuti](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/bksubhuti)\ **Replies:** 6\ **Last updated:** [August 16, 2026, 7:12pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/thai-forest-myth-that-2-meals-before-solar-noon-is-against-vinaya/2565 "2026-08-16T19:12:29Z")
A long debate in the Thai Forest Tradition is that eating two meals before Solar Noon is breaking Vinaya. Recently, I wrote this in a letter with a monk who follows a similar philosophy as Ajahn Kukrit and the Buddhawaj… --- ## [EBT Ambedkarite Insta Pages Attack Theravada Orthodoxy](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/ebt-ambedkarite-insta-pages-attack-theravada-orthodoxy/2558)
**Author:** [@orthodox](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/orthodox)\ **Replies:** 9\ **Last updated:** [August 15, 2026, 3:17pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/ebt-ambedkarite-insta-pages-attack-theravada-orthodoxy/2558 "2026-08-15T15:17:25Z")
I realized that most “buddhist” pages on Insta are just secular EBT non-sense by Indian Ambedkarite buddhists who really don’t know what they’re doing. This post by 2 top EBT-ambedkarite creators directly attacks Orthod… --- ## [Origins of Buddhavamsa and Cariyapitaka (essay)](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/origins-of-buddhavamsa-and-cariyapitaka-essay/2560)
**Author:** [@RobertK](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/RobertK)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [August 11, 2026, 4:56am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/origins-of-buddhavamsa-and-cariyapitaka-essay/2560 "2026-08-11T04:56:02Z")
Buddhavamsa\_Cariyapitaka\_First\_Council\_Essay\_august\_14\_readable (1).pdf (960.3 KB) --- ## [Common Grounds of Ancient and Modern Buddhist-Protestants](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/common-grounds-of-ancient-and-modern-buddhist-protestants/990)
**Author:** [@ekocare](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/ekocare)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [August 11, 2026, 3:08am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/common-grounds-of-ancient-and-modern-buddhist-protestants/990 "2026-08-11T03:08:03Z")
Dīpavaṁsa The Chronicle of the Island An Ancient Buddhist Historical Record edited and translated by Hermann Oldenberg Introduction The results we have obtained regarding the connexion between the Dīpavaṁsa and t… --- ## [Authenticity of the Abhidhamma and Commentaries (essay)](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/authenticity-of-the-abhidhamma-and-commentaries-essay/2531)
**Author:** [@RobertK](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/RobertK)\ **Replies:** 9\ **Last updated:** [July 20, 2026, 1:59am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/authenticity-of-the-abhidhamma-and-commentaries-essay/2531 "2026-07-20T01:59:50Z")
updating version soon --- ## [Vimuttimagga and Visuddhimagga](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/vimuttimagga-and-visuddhimagga/2479)
**Author:** [@RobertK](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/RobertK)\ **Replies:** 2\ **Last updated:** [June 9, 2026, 8:15am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/vimuttimagga-and-visuddhimagga/2479 "2026-06-09T08:15:32Z")
I saw a post on dhammawheel saying that it is "a fact that Visuddhimagga heavily plagiarizes the Vimuttimagga". The Vimuttimagga has something of a cult following since it was translated from Chinese to English, poss… --- ## [Nanavira's ideas about Dependent Origination](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/nanaviras-ideas-about-dependent-origination/2472)
**Author:** [@RobertK](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/RobertK)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [June 7, 2026, 4:56am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/nanaviras-ideas-about-dependent-origination/2472 "2026-06-07T04:56:27Z")
An interesting phenomenon is the case of Nanavira, an English Bhikkhu of the 20th century whose unusual beliefs still come up occasionally on forums. bp437s\_Bodhi\_Investigating-Dhammananavira compl.pdf (269.3 KB) Bhikk… --- ## [The importance of the Jātaka](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/the-importance-of-the-jataka/2218)
**Author:** [@renaldo](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/renaldo)\ **Replies:** 24\ **Last updated:** [May 15, 2026, 11:18pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/the-importance-of-the-jataka/2218 "2026-05-15T23:18:11Z")
In Theravada Buddhism in Burma by Ray, Niharranjan (1946), the historical importance of the Jātaka Tales is pointed out. In chapter VII, the author writes: “In a preceding section we have incidentally referred to the r… --- ## [The Abhayagiri history](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/the-abhayagiri-history/2339)
**Author:** [@RobertK](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/RobertK)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [April 25, 2026, 5:43am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/the-abhayagiri-history/2339 "2026-04-25T05:43:44Z")
I saw this on another site: “Classical Theravāda” excludes that other now dead Theravāda, the Abhayagiri Vihāra. They also studied Mahāyāna, but in what sense are they less than the one we know today? Here is the Mah… --- ## [Buddhadasa of Thailand: His comments on the Commentaries (paticcasamuppada)](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/buddhadasa-of-thailand-his-comments-on-the-commentaries-paticcasamuppada/165)
**Author:** [@RobertK](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/RobertK)\ **Replies:** 18\ **Last updated:** [April 16, 2026, 6:57am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/buddhadasa-of-thailand-his-comments-on-the-commentaries-paticcasamuppada/165 "2026-04-16T06:57:36Z")
I picked up a copy of Paticcasamuppada - Practical Dependent Origination by Ven. Buddhadasa Bhikkhu (of Thailand) I had read the book many years ago and have now reread it. I think it has many useful points and I cer… --- ## [The lead up to the 3rd Council](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/the-lead-up-to-the-3rd-council/2293)
**Author:** [@RobertK](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/RobertK)\ **Replies:** 9\ **Last updated:** [April 16, 2026, 3:24am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/the-lead-up-to-the-3rd-council/2293 "2026-04-16T03:24:17Z")
The Mahāvaṃsa or The Great Chronicle of Ceylon. Translated by Wilhelm Geiger. London: Published for the Pali Text Society by Henry Frowde, Oxford University Press, 1912, Chapter V, “The Third Council,” pp. 40–50. One da… --- ## [The Arahant Mahā~gatimbaya~tissa~datta~tthero](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/the-arahant-maha-gatimbaya-tissa-datta-tthero/2258)
**Author:** [@renaldo](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/renaldo)\ **Replies:** 5\ **Last updated:** [March 28, 2026, 4:18pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/the-arahant-maha-gatimbaya-tissa-datta-tthero/2258 "2026-03-28T16:18:26Z")
He became an Arahant while crossing the ocean in a boat. "Contemplating the Abhidhamma: For monks who are masters of the Abhidhamma too, as \[they contemplate\] the classification of aggregates (khandhantara ), the clas… --- ## [Nagasena was still a puthujjana bhikkhu, but he had mastered the Abhidhamma...](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/nagasena-was-still-a-puthujjana-bhikkhu-but-he-had-mastered-the-abhidhamma/2263)
**Author:** [@renaldo](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/renaldo)\ **Replies:** 2\ **Last updated:** [March 28, 2026, 1:22pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/nagasena-was-still-a-puthujjana-bhikkhu-but-he-had-mastered-the-abhidhamma/2263 "2026-03-28T13:22:46Z")
I was not previously aware of this event from the Commentaries. Reading an old thread, I was surprised to come across it. More examples of the importance of paṭipatti (and of reading old threads :rofl: ). R --- ## [Appreciating and recording of the ancient Commentaries and tikas](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/appreciating-and-recording-of-the-ancient-commentaries-and-tikas/2251)
**Author:** [@renaldo](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/renaldo)\ **Replies:** 13\ **Last updated:** [March 16, 2026, 4:50pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/appreciating-and-recording-of-the-ancient-commentaries-and-tikas/2251 "2026-03-16T16:50:09Z")
Much of the listed commentarial literature has dates—or tentative dates—attached to it. It is important to remember that those dates only refer to when the texts that we have now were written down in the form that we kn… --- ## [Dasaratha Jataka or Hindus' Ramayana?](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/dasaratha-jataka-or-hindus-ramayana/175)
**Author:** [@Ontheway](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/Ontheway)\ **Replies:** 15\ **Last updated:** [November 6, 2025, 6:19pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/dasaratha-jataka-or-hindus-ramayana/175 "2025-11-06T18:19:52Z")
I encountered this Jataka story and to my surprise, it is very similar to Ramayana’s characters. https://suttacentral.net/ja461/en/rouse?reference=none&highlight=false Could this be a copycat of the Hinduism’s Ramayana… --- ## [Classifications of the Tipitaka at the first council](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/classifications-of-the-tipitaka-at-the-first-council/2098)
**Author:** [@RobertK](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/RobertK)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [October 19, 2025, 4:13am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/classifications-of-the-tipitaka-at-the-first-council/2098 "2025-10-19T04:13:33Z")
From the INCEPTION OF DISCIPLINE and VINAYA-NIDANA Being a Translation and Edition of the Bdhiraniddna of Buddhaghosa’s Samantapasidika, the Vinaya Commentary by N. A. JAYAWICKRAMA 18\] How is it threefold accordin… --- ## [Abhidhamma - origins](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/abhidhamma-origins/13)
**Author:** [@RobertK](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/RobertK)\ **Replies:** 17\ **Last updated:** [October 21, 2025, 1:13pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/abhidhamma-origins/13 "2025-10-21T13:13:31Z")
March 13, 2020 at 4:57 pm#276 Dear group, I had a discussion with a few people recently who have doubts about the veracity of the ancient commentaries and even the Abhidhamma. The only way to develop proper confidence … --- ## [Origin of Kathavatthu](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/origin-of-kathavatthu/2097)
**Author:** [@RobertK](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/RobertK)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [October 19, 2025, 2:42am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/origin-of-kathavatthu/2097 "2025-10-19T02:42:49Z")
From the Expositor p.7- 9: There is a consensus of opinion among teachers that the Abhidhamma is divided into seven books, viz., Dhammasangani, Vibhanga, Dhatukatha, Puggalapannatti, Kathavatthu, Yamaka, and Patthana. B… --- ## [What is the evidence that the Buddha actually taught the Eightfold Path and the Four Noble Truths?](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/what-is-the-evidence-that-the-buddha-actually-taught-the-eightfold-path-and-the-four-noble-truths/1009)
**Author:** [@Zans](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/Zans)\ **Replies:** 24\ **Last updated:** [September 19, 2025, 11:47pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/what-is-the-evidence-that-the-buddha-actually-taught-the-eightfold-path-and-the-four-noble-truths/1009 "2025-09-19T23:47:50Z")
I’ve seen claims that the four noble truths and eightfold path were not originally in the Buddha’s teachings, and were added later. What is the evidence that counters this position? Example: “…it is widely accepted th… --- ## [Departing from Traditional Axioms: The Onset of Rejection of the Abhidhamma and the Commentaries](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/departing-from-traditional-axioms-the-onset-of-rejection-of-the-abhidhamma-and-the-commentaries/1922)
**Author:** [@Baloo](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/Baloo)\ **Replies:** 16\ **Last updated:** [August 5, 2025, 8:29am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/departing-from-traditional-axioms-the-onset-of-rejection-of-the-abhidhamma-and-the-commentaries/1922 "2025-08-05T08:29:27Z")
This will be a general discussion addressing the notable shift emerging within certain contemporary circles of the modernized form of Theravāda Buddhism (English-speaking ones in particular, others more broadly), especia… --- ## [First council - pavillion where the arahats recited it](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/first-council-pavillion-where-the-arahats-recited-it/1927)
**Author:** [@RobertK](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/RobertK)\ **Replies:** 2\ **Last updated:** [July 5, 2025, 11:45am UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/first-council-pavillion-where-the-arahats-recited-it/1927 "2025-07-05T11:45:14Z")
I saw this post on dhammawheel today The hundreds of Arahants met in Saptaparani cave. Google for it. Does it even look like it can fit that many bhikkhus inside of it? The poster of this apparently saw a photo of th… --- ## [Writing A Document for Authenticating The Abhidhamma and Commentaries](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/writing-a-document-for-authenticating-the-abhidhamma-and-commentaries/204)
**Author:** [@bksubhuti](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/bksubhuti)\ **Replies:** 89\ **Last updated:** [April 26, 2025, 4:56pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/writing-a-document-for-authenticating-the-abhidhamma-and-commentaries/204 "2025-04-26T16:56:29Z")
I’m thinking about writing a document or maybe even a book to explain the importance of the commentaries and Abhidhamma. My idea is we can collect information here and then I can try to assemble this into a document of … --- ## [Dharana Paritta](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/dharana-paritta/1363)
**Author:** [@HappinessSeeker](https://classicaltheravada.org/u/HappinessSeeker)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [April 15, 2025, 7:13pm UTC](https://classicaltheravada.org/t/dharana-paritta/1363 "2025-04-15T19:13:17Z")
Is this text canon in Theravada Buddhism? As far as I know, it is chanted in Myanmar. http://www.myanmarnet.net/nibbana/dharana.htm Although some might not believe in the authenticity of this text, I think it can still… [Next page](https://classicaltheravada.org/c/authenticity-of-texts/6.md?page=1)